But I thought that was how Kim Kardashian got famous? BA-ZING!

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What new hell spawned this.

Actually, towards our topic of conversation, this is a perfect example of why states like Texas tend to lean against more federal oversight.

Yeah that whole thing turned into a shit show BECAUSE the ATF asserted jurisdiction and circumvented local resources. I 100% get the point you're trying to make, but the thing in Waco went to hell because the ATF wanted to get credit for taking them down, bit off way more than they could chew, and then everything went to heck in a handbasket. The event in Waco has actually become a case study for a lot federal agencies on what NOT to do. Truthfully, if they'd just sent in the Texas Rangers with local law enforcement from the county the whole thing would have been over in an hour... but the ATF wanted to try and flex for the cameras.

Actually, huge portions of the armadillo population suffer from leprosy. In areas that have them as local wildlife people usually avoid them like the plague. Absolutely adorable, but not worth losing limbs over. They're also usually very aggressive.

Yeah if it's at the point where things are so messed up and decentralized that the military is functioning on behalf of all the above mentioned federal agencies then things are way more messed up then just the issue of gun control.**edited for spelling

The fact that the military would be involved with this and not the FBI, NSA, CIA, or local law enforcement is weird--we kind of jumped over all the usual resources. Usually military intelligence might be involved, but you wouldn't have a bunch of 81 bravos on the ground doing arrests or seizures on American soil--thats the whole point of having Homeland security.

Might need to rename him to 666.

I don't know how to feel about this.

I'm not asking either to pick a fight I'm legitimately trying to get to the bottom of this because if it's TRUE then I'm going to be a little heart broken...

Oh no I hear you, and I never said I thought it was okay because others did it--seriously I didnt even suggest it. Can you toss me a citation or something because everything I'm finding online shows an impeccable track record for CD Projekt.

Forcing executive exclusion on the military is exactly how revolutions start because those in the military are US citizens and usually the ones with the most strict interpretation of personal liberty. Also, to put it bluntly, the 2nd amendment exists because of questions like the one you just asked.

With respect, what if some of those soldiers were the citizens in question? The military is not disassociated from the citizen population. I'm also extremely skeptical something like that would ever happen because there would very possibly be an actual civil war if it came to that because it implies a LOT of other issues like federally mandated search and seizure without a warrant from a local judge, violating private property through a federal mandate, and about a hundred other laws being broken. You would be completely circumventing judicial and legislative process to try and attempt something like that.**edited for spelling

With respect, CD Projekt has a pretty fair track record with their employees. However, companies like EA, Bioware, and Bethesda do not. Especially Bioware, they've gone so downhill and are so different from what they used to be... oof.

@scatmandingo I mean strategically offensive and I speaking to existing Texas state law. I could purchase a tank but would need a special permit because its not considered necessary for personal defense--i can't carry a tank into a grocery store. To your point--your not wrong and that 'slippery slope' logic is unnerving to a lot of people. If you legislate anything you're building precedent.

Although I would rather use tanarite, much more stable and frankly it's cheaper.

@famousone I mean you're not wrong, with enough money anyone can get the permits. Plus you can easily make explosives with what's under your kitchen sink so that's kind of a moot point.

But now we are starting to get into state versus federal law. Keep in mind that one huge hurdle that the US has to deal with that european countries do not is federal versus state law... and there are many times that these are at odds with each other.

Well we were talking about personal defense and immediate threats. Owning a fighter jet or tank would be considered offensive. Small arms like a pistol or even rifles would fall under personal defense or actionable use for personal safety. Certain explosives are actually legal as well, Tanarite is an explosive used in Texas for boar traps.

Well I dont want to try and speak for anyone or put words in their mouths. I think famous ones ultimate point though is exactly what I described--everyone has a right to arms to defend themselves. I think he was moreso specifying that the government shouldn't have a right to restrict or remove that. To many Americans, there is a perception of extreme overreach when it comes to the NZ government. Love the people, love the food--personally not a fan of the government.. especially with their stance on deporting/not accepting immigrants with special needs children because they're considered too burdensome on their socialized medical program.**edited for spelling

I'll also say that weapons are a part of our culture down here too, so expectations are high when it comes to handling a firearm. 9/10 times when I see someone doing something stupid or dangerous they're not a native. I saw a guy letting his son (they were AR transplants) letting his son dry-click a rifle at people in a hunting/camping store I was at. They were thrown out of the store SO quickly and banned... because you treat every weapon like its loaded, period.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm a native Texan, I've lived here all my life and I've known 0 people killed by a firearm. I've known 34 who were killed in car accidents. Are we going to ban cars? All the folks saying a car isn't a tool meant to kill, does that eliminate the intent of someone using it to kill? Is it a problem with the person driving like a maniac or with the car?

Also keep in mind there are over 400 million firearms in circulation in the US right now. You could ban them tomorrow and it wouldnt really mean much. I guarantee you they arent going to go door to door, searching homes (ignoring how many laws this would break locally, I guarantee you this would start a civil war).