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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
The simple fact is we already had terms to distinguish trans people from biological people.
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That's literally the point of that term. Lydia said themself that heterosexual men and women are the.. What was the word they used? It wasn't the "default" but anyway.
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So now we once again have redundancy for the point of what, exactly? Feelings? What makes their feelings on the issue more relevant than anyone else's?
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If the terms and labels truly mean so little, why do you feel the need to foist them on others and reject the ones in existence? Seems fairly hypocritical, but that does sound about right for all the times I've had this "discussion"
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That's literally the point of that term. Lydia said themself that heterosexual men and women are the.. What was the word they used? It wasn't the "default" but anyway.
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So now we once again have redundancy for the point of what, exactly? Feelings? What makes their feelings on the issue more relevant than anyone else's?
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If the terms and labels truly mean so little, why do you feel the need to foist them on others and reject the ones in existence? Seems fairly hypocritical, but that does sound about right for all the times I've had this "discussion"
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
You literally compared goy (religion) to cishet (gender politics) and brought religion into this first, so once again, that's an excruciatingly disingenuous take. But alright, whatever take helps you comment the night away I suppose
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And in case you missed it: everyone in this thread is using them vs me rhetoric.
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The "cishets" and the "straights" are "demonizing" and "raging" lol.
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And why, exactly, shouldn't we? I disagree with the label they invented for me. Lydia informed me that it doesn't matter, because that will be what I am because they decided it be so. That, by action, is a them vs me scenario. Although I'm not sure why you assume it is a "me" scenario. It is an "us" scenario. Other people have expressed the same views - even IN this very thread. Not pretending I speak for them... any more than you pretend you speak for "them"
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And in case you missed it: everyone in this thread is using them vs me rhetoric.
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The "cishets" and the "straights" are "demonizing" and "raging" lol.
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And why, exactly, shouldn't we? I disagree with the label they invented for me. Lydia informed me that it doesn't matter, because that will be what I am because they decided it be so. That, by action, is a them vs me scenario. Although I'm not sure why you assume it is a "me" scenario. It is an "us" scenario. Other people have expressed the same views - even IN this very thread. Not pretending I speak for them... any more than you pretend you speak for "them"
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
"Not gonna argue with someone"
[Spends 2 more comments arguing]
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But let's dissect that anyway :D
You're talking about my comment that was aimed at no one in particular, that expresses nothing but an opinion that I find a label being used to define ME stupid... as not only "rage" but also an "attack"? Who, exactly, did I attack?
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I think the term " thot" is stupid too. Sorry for attacking everyone that wants to use that label lol
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Meanwhile the claim that people are making things confusing is on par with comparing an entire group of people to beelzebub himself lol
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I know who Martin Luther King and Martin Luther are. I said I don't know enough about that particular scenario, so I can't comment on it
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But let's dissect that anyway :D
You're talking about my comment that was aimed at no one in particular, that expresses nothing but an opinion that I find a label being used to define ME stupid... as not only "rage" but also an "attack"? Who, exactly, did I attack?
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I think the term " thot" is stupid too. Sorry for attacking everyone that wants to use that label lol
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Meanwhile the claim that people are making things confusing is on par with comparing an entire group of people to beelzebub himself lol
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I know who Martin Luther King and Martin Luther are. I said I don't know enough about that particular scenario, so I can't comment on it
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
The red string of fate I think they'd call it. Or maybe I'm mixing up my cultures again
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
I know what you were going for, but the spelling is unfortunate and I regret reading this lol
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
Regardless of which, like I said:
If people are allowed to tell me they find it offensive if they identified as a zither 6 minutes ago, but now they changed bracelets and identify as a zipper, and how dare I not cater to their desperate delusions of importance...
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If people are allowed to say they can identify as whatever they want and we must accept that...
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If this is the world YOU are claiming must be accepted as the new norm
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Then who are you to tell anyone else that they should be fine with being labelled something they've already expressed distaste towards? That they've already said doesn't apply to them?
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If people are allowed to tell me they find it offensive if they identified as a zither 6 minutes ago, but now they changed bracelets and identify as a zipper, and how dare I not cater to their desperate delusions of importance...
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If people are allowed to say they can identify as whatever they want and we must accept that...
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If this is the world YOU are claiming must be accepted as the new norm
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Then who are you to tell anyone else that they should be fine with being labelled something they've already expressed distaste towards? That they've already said doesn't apply to them?
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
It's also largely nonsensical. You can argue when the term gender came into existence if you like - it won't change the fact that the concept of it has existed since the beginning of life itself.
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It also won't change the fact that changing the definition of the word "woman" and "man" to be "anyone who identifies as a woman or a man" is now rendering both those words obsolete.
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If there are no identifying characteristics that set men and women apart individually, Then those words mean nothing. It's the exact same thing as calling them "human/people."
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So we are now replacing man/woman with the definition of "human." Which means that cishet now means "human born human who identifies as a human and is attracted to fellow humans."
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It also won't change the fact that changing the definition of the word "woman" and "man" to be "anyone who identifies as a woman or a man" is now rendering both those words obsolete.
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If there are no identifying characteristics that set men and women apart individually, Then those words mean nothing. It's the exact same thing as calling them "human/people."
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So we are now replacing man/woman with the definition of "human." Which means that cishet now means "human born human who identifies as a human and is attracted to fellow humans."
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
As for how the meaning of heterosexuality changes, if you change the definition of the base words heterosexual refers to, then heterosexuality, by extension, ALSO changes.
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I don't know enough about Martin Luther king and I won't pretend to.
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I do find it interesting that you actually think it would be acceptable for the Jewish population to lay claim to the term "Muslim," and then dictate TO Muslims what it means. But just because YOU find that acceptable (for some bizarre reason) in no way means Muslims themselves should be forced to comply with it. Nor would most of them want to I'd wager.
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I also never said it was bad to be a subcategory? I said it's wrong to take peoples identity from them, subvert an entire language (and all the ripple effects that go with that) and force them to submit to your new label -- especially if this extremely far-reaching insanity is, by your own admission, redundant.
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I don't know enough about Martin Luther king and I won't pretend to.
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I do find it interesting that you actually think it would be acceptable for the Jewish population to lay claim to the term "Muslim," and then dictate TO Muslims what it means. But just because YOU find that acceptable (for some bizarre reason) in no way means Muslims themselves should be forced to comply with it. Nor would most of them want to I'd wager.
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I also never said it was bad to be a subcategory? I said it's wrong to take peoples identity from them, subvert an entire language (and all the ripple effects that go with that) and force them to submit to your new label -- especially if this extremely far-reaching insanity is, by your own admission, redundant.
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
Lawl I love how the "tolerant" and enlightened in this comment thread are the first ones that are referring to any conversational discourse as an attack or rage :P and the first ones to resort to passive aggression for that matter (or flat out aggression)
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But that's usually the way it goes :P
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But that's usually the way it goes :P
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
And that's part of the reason the meme is relevant lol. People are so busy getting offended they don't even realize that:
Most of the people who are offended are
-white knights who don't stream and are offended on someone else's behalf
-literally the women that take up half the screen to make sure you can see tits and ass at all times
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Some normal female streams are possibly offended, but many of them are JUST AS FRUSTRATED that this is the reality
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But people get so caught up in the concept that anything that is considered negative directed towards women is pretty much on par with a hate crime they actually rejoice in the destruction of peoples' lives all because they can slap a label, tip fedora, and claim m'sogyny
Most of the people who are offended are
-white knights who don't stream and are offended on someone else's behalf
-literally the women that take up half the screen to make sure you can see tits and ass at all times
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Some normal female streams are possibly offended, but many of them are JUST AS FRUSTRATED that this is the reality
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But people get so caught up in the concept that anything that is considered negative directed towards women is pretty much on par with a hate crime they actually rejoice in the destruction of peoples' lives all because they can slap a label, tip fedora, and claim m'sogyny
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
And people didn't then try and tell Muslims "they're right, if they want to say Muslim now means this, and they want to be Muslim, then they are now Muslim, and YOU are now this specific sect of Muslim, and You must accept THEIR definition of Muslim even though it's incorrect to what muslim means. And you should just calm down, and accept this. It's only a word."
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
Literally didn't say that lol. I said they aren't synonymous.
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For cishet to exist, the definition of the words "man" "woman" and "heterosexual" have to be altered. I would have thought you'd have picked up on that
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If goy means anyone that isn't Jewish that's not the same thing at all, and it makes for a poor comparison.
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Goy from your description would mean anyone who isn't Jewish.
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Jewish people use it to refer to people who aren't Jewish. Simple enough. Could apply to Muslims, Christians, Catholics, etc too.
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But here's the major difference:
Jewish people didn't try and change the definition of the word Muslim (for example) to suit their purposes.
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Jewish people didn't lay siege on the word Muslim and say "hello fellow Muslims, I am also a Muslim, AND I'm Jewish. And since I am now a Muslim, YOU are now subcategorized as this word."
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For cishet to exist, the definition of the words "man" "woman" and "heterosexual" have to be altered. I would have thought you'd have picked up on that
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If goy means anyone that isn't Jewish that's not the same thing at all, and it makes for a poor comparison.
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Goy from your description would mean anyone who isn't Jewish.
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Jewish people use it to refer to people who aren't Jewish. Simple enough. Could apply to Muslims, Christians, Catholics, etc too.
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But here's the major difference:
Jewish people didn't try and change the definition of the word Muslim (for example) to suit their purposes.
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Jewish people didn't lay siege on the word Muslim and say "hello fellow Muslims, I am also a Muslim, AND I'm Jewish. And since I am now a Muslim, YOU are now subcategorized as this word."
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
Twitch either needs to own and admit that this is what they're about, or actually handle the issue, because all they're doing is breeding toxicity all over the dance floor right now
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
As a result the platform is often overrun by the toxic people that seek out the Twitch whores (<- I know people will find that harsh, but a spade is a spade, and the shoe fits). These fans then go to other female streamers and expect (or demand) the same type of content from them -- something these women have spoken out about repeatedly and gotten little help with.
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New streamers also feel pressured to dress in more revealing clothing just to compete.
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Male streamers ALSO often suffer because their content is often pushed down in the searches so people like the Twitch whores can have their asses promoted to people who just wanted to watch the newest far cry (or whatever).
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Aaaand of course the Twitch whores have moved into other categories as well, which is leading to the same problem for those content creators.
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New streamers also feel pressured to dress in more revealing clothing just to compete.
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Male streamers ALSO often suffer because their content is often pushed down in the searches so people like the Twitch whores can have their asses promoted to people who just wanted to watch the newest far cry (or whatever).
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Aaaand of course the Twitch whores have moved into other categories as well, which is leading to the same problem for those content creators.
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
The problem is a lot of the women on twitch that behave this way don't have much personality/aren't particularly stand-out at the game so they often can't get a large audience that way... and if they went to a platform with actual competition (ie: chatterbait, onlyfans).... They wouldn't standout there either. Obviously this isn't all of them, but a great deal of them this seems to be true.
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They rely on novelty factor on a platform they're "taboo" almost exclusively to promote their content. Which is how you end up with them wearing deepthroating microphones in horse masks.
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Twitch SHOULD have nipped them in the bud a long time ago, but they chose money and sacrificed their female streamers while labelling it "feminism."
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They rely on novelty factor on a platform they're "taboo" almost exclusively to promote their content. Which is how you end up with them wearing deepthroating microphones in horse masks.
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Twitch SHOULD have nipped them in the bud a long time ago, but they chose money and sacrificed their female streamers while labelling it "feminism."
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
Well obviously not you. But the audience that puts these women in the number one slots by and large isn't females :P
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
Considering they are far from the majority, time will tell if they will make it "disappear" from this corner of the world, try as they might. So far their attempts at making it "disappear" largely consist of saying it hurts their feelings, and then trying to have people who disagree with them silenced and/or destroyed.
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A somewhat effective tactic, but the pendulum does swing back 'round eventually.
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And it will be sad because it's not what either side wants.
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A somewhat effective tactic, but the pendulum does swing back 'round eventually.
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And it will be sad because it's not what either side wants.
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xvarnah
· 4 years ago
Cishet and heterosexual female are not "synonymous." If they were synonymous they wouldn't have needed to invent a new term to try and label me (and people like me) with. And it IS a label they're using FOR me. I am not CisHet. I am a straight woman. A heterosexual female. Something I already established and yet the person claiming how tolerant the Lbtq community is, is also the one person ignoring that, and instead telling me what I am.
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I do enjoy the irony.
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"You can reject the world but that won't make it disappear"
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Funny, that's literally what people are trying to do with this type of terminology haha. Reject the world. Make the standing definitions and realities disappear.
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Again, I DO enjoy the irony.
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I do enjoy the irony.
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"You can reject the world but that won't make it disappear"
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Funny, that's literally what people are trying to do with this type of terminology haha. Reject the world. Make the standing definitions and realities disappear.
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Again, I DO enjoy the irony.
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I will disagree with you:
Feeling like a man does not make you a man. It may make you act in ways considered more traditionally "masculine." You may even prefer to LOOK like a man and present as a man.
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And there is literally nothing necessarily wrong with that.
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But feeling like a man does not make you a man.
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Once again, if you choose to go with the logic "a man is anyone who feels like a man" then we have followed the circular yellow brick road through oz and discovered "man" now has a meaning no different from "human."
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There is no trait separating men from women. The words have no purpose and no meaning.