Aren't Chinese-type dragons usually depicted as noodles with legs?

Ha, got me there. It has been around forever, yet equal rights for homosexuals are pretty recent, and not a thing everywhere on the planet. What I meant was, you wouldn't see a kid with two dads 50 years ago, which is why it's still mostly considered, well, not traditional. Or at least being open about it.

I thumbed it up because I dislike it when people downvote without presenting arguments (in fact I never downvote, when I disagree with someone I reply to them).
Good point. In this situation, though, you have to admit that being gay is not considered "traditional".
Tbh I always cringe when someone speaks about "traditional values" or "traditional family" because I know they're really talking about straight people with a few kids, with the mother being a jobless housewife and the father having some 9 to 5 job to feed them all. But I'm probably quite biased because I've grown tired of people telling me how to live my life for no other reason than "it's tradition". It really seems to me like "tradition" and "living your own life" don't fit together very well. But then again English isn't my native language, maybe my tradition and your tradition have a slightly different meaning/connotation.

"Well actually" *proceeds to quote from a fiction book*
I'm not trying to be mean or anything, and I know you're just relating it to this specific situation which is literally about Biblical angels and it makes perfect sense here, I just found it funny.

Not if your family is considered unconventional. But yes, you can definitely have both if the traditional way of life suits you. I just don't really see the point of traditions in general, they're just remnants of past that are at best useless, at worst regressive.

I'm honestly glad you're so polite about this. It's getting difficult to find a good conversation partner on the internet nowadays. Most people just get offended when they encounter different opinions.

Don't get me wrong, I think countries which implement Sharia law are disgusting, I mean it's illegal to be an atheist in Saudi Arabia, like what the fuck.
But there's equally disgusting stuff in the Bible too, so it's not as much about the religion itself as about the society. The Middle East just produces more radicalized individuals, because their legal systems implement the religion, while the West is secularized. Basically, if you read a book and society tells you "Don't take it literally though", you're less likely to be radicalized than when you read the same book and society tells you "Yup. That's the law and you better follow it to the letter." There are good Muslims and there are bad Muslims. There are good Christians and there are bad Christians. There are good Atheists and there are bad Atheists.
PS: It's spelled ideology.

Being without a bra is uncomfortable for me, since I have DDs. But at home I wear thinner, softer bras, they are more comfy and I don't care if my nipples are visible.

@garlog I can see that now, my apologies.
@silvermyth Exactly, even if you have the money, you still need some time to take care of the newborn. By the way, when you tell them you need more time to take care of the kid, do they just fire you in the US or do they keep not paying you but guarantee your job position when you come back? Because if they do fire you, that's even more inconveniencing, you have to start your career all over. Sounds terrible.

1) That was a South Park reference
2) c'mon dude that was 2 years ago

Nah, more like an ironic remark on all that you said.

Of course, what I was talking about is a hypothetical situation. It's not like the apocalypse will happen because of the lack of family leave.
Also, a couple of comments earlier you accused me of misquoting you, but I literally copied your statement and put it into quotations. I didn't misquote you at all. Might be a misunderstanding, but I just want to get it cleared up. I don't misquote people.

In retrospect, this whole situation would have gone a lot better if I just responded with "jerk" to your "bitch".

The thing is, the companies are only looking for profit. Not an abnormal thing, a woman having a kid is not a profitable thing for the company. However, what these companies completely fail to consider is that making sure the human race continues is kinda more important than their own immediate profit. And kids = future workforce. If you tell people not to have kids, or have kids late (some of which may have genetic impairments because of being born to old people, and won't be able to work at all), you're crippling your own future workers. And of course, I have no respect for people who get kids just to get welfare. But if you and your partner have a stable, average paying job and decide to have a kid, the company should provide you with enough time and money to take care of the kid properly before you can put them to daycare. You're possibly raising their future employees, after all.

Telling someone to "please learn some facts before commenting, thank you" is rude and worth being called a bitch for? No, I think you just overreacted and now you're trying to blame me.
Respect is earned, not given. Saying what you did, being completely ignorant about something and blaming me for it, that made me lose respect. I can only imagine Eric Cartman screaming "Respect my AUTHORITAH!" now, so hey at, least you made me laugh, thank you.

Maybe because you started off with a completely false statement and then called me a bitch for correcting you?
Yeah she was married, she divorced her husband years after Macron left the school.
Besides, you're complaining that I couldn't refute it? That's hilarious. So you're telling me that you didn't even google it, and somehow it's my job to correct you on stuff I've already told you to learn something about? Did you even look anything up about them or are you just throwing a hissyfit because I so meanly corrected you? For fuck's sake, I thought this was the internet, not elementary school.
So, I repeat my previous statement, please learn some facts before commenting.

So, ultimately, unless you or your partner has landed an extremely well paying job, you're faced with this choice. You can be the single most responsible person on the planet and you'll still face this conundrum. And of course, men can take care of the children too. If only the "family values" supporters didn't constantly bitch and moan about it breaking the "traditional family" or whatever bullshit they're advocating.

@famousone "You don't have a proper argument" and you do? I have more than enough arguments but that comment shocked me so much I responded the way I did. Lovely how you say "don't put words in his mouth" but then assume things that just aren't true about me. Not hypocritical at all.
"Worked then, works now."
That's what I was quoting. It worked back then, just nevermind human rights and all that silly stuff.
I'm all for individual responsibility. But when a company tells you "you only have enough time to give birth and heal for a bit, otherwise we'll fire you", then there is a problem. As I said, newborns can't take care of themselves. At the same time, a single breadwinner isn't enough to feed a family nowadays. So women have to choose between having a kid early while they're healthy and fertile, but risking financial problems, or having a kid late when the family's stockpiled a bit of money, but risking possible health issues that the mother or the kid could have.

Oh I'm sorry, did I hurt your feelings with FACTS? Did I offend you by telling you to learn about a topic before making a comment on it? Did the truth offend you so much that you had to respond with an ad hominem attack? How very sad.