Saying that "international laws were written by bad people therefore we won't abide by them" is the same moon logic used by the liberals when they say "the founding fathers owned slaves therefore the Constitution is invalid." No, the principles and by extension the specific laws have since been recognized by the international community and they are periodically reviewed to reflect contemporary values. Who wrote them is at this point in time irrelevant to their validity.

Yeah no, you explicitly said multiple times that they are trying to cancel the holidays. Denying it won't work when the comments are right here for everyone to see. The fact that you perceive it as malicious is pretty clear from the context, but okay, technically you never used the word 'malicious'. So now we've once again moved from "I didn't say it was deliberate" (you did) to "I didn't say it was malicious". Funny that, you've shifted the framing once again. I don't know how many times I have to call you out on this for you to learn, but I'm pretty close to giving up because you probably never will.
Hmm, I got the 2020 Democratic platform in front of me right now and low and behold, you were lying about every single thing! Damn, how unexpected, I only called you out for pulling stuff out of your ass like five times in this thread, I'm shocked you're being dishonest again.

"socialized medicine, education, government control of industry, placing the collective over the individual"
Maybe like 1% of Democrats want that, and they get fucked over every time by the Democratic establishment which comprises entirely of neoliberal corporate shills.
Also, international standards are overriden by domestic standards now? That's fucking hilarious, I guess international law is invalid now too. The Chinese, Saudis and Israeli should take note of that whenever someone criticizes them for child labor, slavery and illegal settlements. Just pull a uno reverse card and say "well my domestic law says this" to the International Criminal Court. Mad lads. The thought actually made me chuckle.

"They are clearly trying to cancel the 2020 holiday season."
"The left are attacking the holiday season."
"democrats trying to cancel the holidays."
You can't lie your way out of this one, bucko. Multiple times in this thread you've said or implied they're putting restrictions in place because they want to maliciously cancel holidays. Again, you keep moving the goalpost. Putting restrictions in place because the numbers are higher than Snoop Dogg, which happens to be in time for the holidays (which, when would it not? It's a fucking pandemic, it's not gonna go away in a week, of course some holidays are gonna fall in the middle of it), is a whole different thing than "cancelling holidays". Democrats aren't the fucking Grinch.

The orders are in place to prevent the spread of covid and save lives. You made a claim that it's for a malicious reason of destroying the holidays and keeping families apart. I'm asking for evidence of that, so far you've only provided evidence that "orders exist", which proves absolutely nothing and the rest of your statement is a baseless assumption.
Democrats pursue left wing policies and goals? Hold on, let me throw my head back and laugh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, no, again, I advise you to look up the political compass, because honey, you seriously have no idea what you're talking about. There is an actual, more or less objective scale, which is more reliable than "daddy Trump told me Biden is a socialist". (The daddy Trump bit is also a joke meant to illustrate an unreliable source of information. Please do not get offended.)

Yes, *some* people going over the border are criminals. Which justifies inhumane treatment of all of them? Okay.
No, they're not. Show me some sources other than "trust me bro". Quotes of Democrat politicians, for example, saying they want to destroy the holidays or whatever.
By definition? Which definition? I have a feeling you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, because according to the political compass they're center right neoliberals, apart from some exceptions.
The demonrats thing was a joke because the rest of your comments are similarly conspiratorial as what people who call democrats 'demonrats' say. But sure, call me whatever you want for that joke. Freedom of speech, right? I have the freedom of speech to call you a sensitive snowflake as well.

Hahahaha, yeah, sometimes my grandma can get pretty opinionated too. But she's family, we still love her and visit her except for now, bc y'know we don't want her to die.

"Drug mules"? Wow, the mask slipped off there. Brown people are still people, you know.
Nobody's trying to "cancel the holidays", that's absolute nonsense, most Americans are still Christian and Democrats (most of whom are actually center right to center, very few Democrats are left wing) wouldn't dare go against traditional Christian holidays. What's actually happening is that people with common sense are trying to contain the spread of the disease.
Seriously, this crap is so untrue, and again I'm really disappointed how dishonest you've gotten lately. I'd understand an economically minded argument, because the lockdown has been hitting small businesses a lot, but saying "oh no I can't go out and infect grandma for a few weeks, must be a 'demonrat' conspiracy" is just absolute moon logic.

...ICE?

Yeah okay now you're clearly joking. Even you're not that conspiratorial. Guess I got wooshed.

I'm just trying to be honest here because I'm tired of famousone always commenting like he's Ben Shapiro and trying to score gotcha points instead of having an honest discussion.
Also I didn't even know there was a Discord lol.

Also, no, not where I'm from, gatherings to a certain size are permitted over here, and the govt is at this point quite certain we'll be able to lower the numbers enough to relax the restrictions for Christmas. Now, they did mess it up by loosening up almost entirely during the summer so the cases shot up, but it looks like they've learned from this mistake.
The world isn't just the US, you know. Actually, the world makes fun of the US, in large part because of people like you. Over here, the question whether to act on the pandemic or not isn't a split along party lines, it's about common sense. (2/2)

Oooh so now we're moving the goal post, I see! "The left is trying to cancel Thanksgiving, as a concept" (which is what I was referring to, what Charlie Kirk was saying, trying to make it about "the culture war" or religion or whatever) went to "The left is trying to control the spread of the pandemic which may include limiting large gatherings during the holidays" ... if you can't be right on the substance, could you at least not be dishonest? Both of your comments were just about getting gotcha points and generalising "the left", could we have an actual discussion for once? This isn't a college campus and you're not Ben Shapiro (I hope), please don't use his slimy gotcha tactics, it comes off as intellectually dishonest. (1/2)

Ok, since you saw through "us" (since clearly your political opponents don't have any individuality or agency and are only part of an easy to strawman monolith), I might as well spill all our leftist secrets. We plan to establish 5G to spread Covid, we spike chemtrails with mindcontrol chemicals, we have people guarding the edge of the Earth, and we killed Q. All for our evil, despicable goals of affordable healthcare and a clean planet.

The problem isn't information and achievement, the problem is that the prices of just about everything have been rising much faster than wages have and there is a growing wealth disparity both between countries as well as between individuals within countries.