So now we're comparing people that didn't believe in same sex marriage to fucking Nazis? My family are Germans that fled Germany. This shit clearly pisses me off, big difference between the two.
Downvotes commence.
Nazism: The arbitrary belief that Jews are inferior to those of Aryan descendence. Since Jews are inferior, they do not deserve the same rights as Aryans.
Homophobia: The arbitrary belief that heterosexuals people can marry whom they are attracted to, but homosexuals cannot; in other words, homosexuals do not deserve the same rights as heterosexuals.
I disagree with Nazism because I hold the idea that people have the freedom to pursue happiness regardless of race or religion.
I Disagree with homophobia because I I hold the idea that people have the freedom to pursue happiness regardless of sexual preference.
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Are you kidding me, sovereign?! You're actually trying to "educate" someone who knows and is related to people who lived and experienced that horrible war?
World War II was an atrocity, and I have no doubt that your family suffered greatly from it. But I am arguing that, at the core of the Holocaust, you had a bunch of people who were willing to say, "You are different from me, therefore you do not deserve the same rights of a normal human being." Sometimes, this sentiment leads to genocide, as was the case during the Holocaust. Other times, it leads to segregated water fountains. Still other times, it prevents people from getting married.
No, the Nazi's did not say "You are different from me, therefore you do not deserve the same rights of a normal human being," The Nazi's said "You are not an Aryan, therefore you need to die." Not deserve to die, not have your basic rights taken away, but that it is the Nazi's job to exterminate not the just the Jews, but anybody who was not "Aryan." Some anti-choice people do take things to the extreme, like Scott Roeder, but most don't have murder in their hearts.
Nazism has nothing to do with Jews. that would be anti-semitism, and while nazis were anti-semites, they did not only target jews. As PrypyatPlatypus said, they targetted any non-aryan (Blond hair, blue eyes)
Yes, the nazis also killed all jews, but it had nothing to do with their nazi idealisms, that was simply a hate war against jews, who hitler believed had ruined germany. Nazism itself is simply aryan race stuff.
@pripyatplatypus, I would argue that the right to live is a basic human right. If a society determines that it can kill some of its people, it implicitly has to make the statement that those people do not have the right to live. For instance, most societies euthanize stray animals because they do not recognize that those animals have human rights.
@mopargirl: I was making a broad generalization. A lot of Germans were killed because they were anti-Nazi (or any other reason, really), but other wise "Aryan." I am sorry for what happened to your family, nobody deserves to go through that. @sovereign, I totally understand where you're coming from, I just think you're taking a step too far.
This gets my like. Of course she's not in support of the atrocities that occurred in Germany and the rest of Europe, but it's that sort of mindless hate that makes it possible.
EVERYBODY SHUT THE HELL UP. I'm sorry, but when did funsubstance turn from a fun place on the internet where everyone gets together for a few laughs, to a place where people are trying to shove their beliefs down each other's throats. I long for the days where we could all laugh and enjoy ourselves gay OR straight. The homophobes need to stop the hate, and the gays need to stop shoving their homosexuality in everyone's faces. This is a community, not a battleground. The only thing these kind of posts do is start wars
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· 10 years ago
I blame the Liberals for putting posts like this and Conservatives for reacting said posts. I want the "fun" back in FunSubtance. And me too for commenting.
Well I don't know about you, but I have a splendid time reading and responding to the worldviews of others. The internet's all about diversity, and occasionally two parties fight each other, but that hardly means they have become enemies. Also, you have to remember that a lot of these post contain arguments in and of themselves, and it is only fair that the users respond in kind.
They are enemies? You are telling me that a good portion of the people who argue on this site do not respect each other. What information is this premise based on?
You've also noted how half this post's comments are related to some position in an argument. Heck, if we took out all the comments that relate to a position (including the comments in this string) we would only have on left (see g's comment). But when we look at all the posts in FS, very few of them are so polarizing. There really isn't reason to believe FS is becoming a battleground.
Are you blind? The only thing these posts bring are hate comments and fights. That's not what this site was meant for. How could anyone enjoy this? It's bullshit
I'll give you that there are some opinionated assholes; these individuals refuse to think outside their comfort zone, and they are a general nuisance in the comments. But there are also a good number of people who can calmly discuss a controversial issue. FS is a small enough community that these people can be easily located, and I think new perspectives are always worth hearing.
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How about you, sovereign and any other person who thinks this way, go to another website because, FunSubstance should not be a place of political fighting. It should be a place of FUN, funny, witty, exciting, and sometimes sexy stuff. There's Tumblr and Reddit for you.
Oh, can it, nande.
Sovereign and Mopargirl can stay. I happen to find them interesting, which is more than I can say about most FSers.
Btw, I think you both make good points. I'd say that while both groups have their similarities, I've never seen the logic in throwing around the "nazi" label. Which is not to say I don't see why people do it, flawed as it is.
Both are "bad" things, and ought to be put right. Simple as that.
This post isn't comparing homophobes to Nazis, you morons. Yes, Hitler targeted Jews, but also mentally challenged people, physically handicapped people, AND GAYS.
Downvotes commence.
Homophobia: The arbitrary belief that heterosexuals people can marry whom they are attracted to, but homosexuals cannot; in other words, homosexuals do not deserve the same rights as heterosexuals.
I disagree with Nazism because I hold the idea that people have the freedom to pursue happiness regardless of race or religion.
I Disagree with homophobia because I I hold the idea that people have the freedom to pursue happiness regardless of sexual preference.
You've also noted how half this post's comments are related to some position in an argument. Heck, if we took out all the comments that relate to a position (including the comments in this string) we would only have on left (see g's comment). But when we look at all the posts in FS, very few of them are so polarizing. There really isn't reason to believe FS is becoming a battleground.
Sovereign and Mopargirl can stay. I happen to find them interesting, which is more than I can say about most FSers.
Btw, I think you both make good points. I'd say that while both groups have their similarities, I've never seen the logic in throwing around the "nazi" label. Which is not to say I don't see why people do it, flawed as it is.
Both are "bad" things, and ought to be put right. Simple as that.