I just think people should dress respectfully. I mean the guy did make history and all but i'm sure kids looking in a text book seeing that shirt would be a little interested. and to women, in private yes, in public keep it to yourself, please. point being, just dress normally and stop being a shitbag about it.
i also believe thats reasonable but the point is when a women is raped they're often asked what they did to encourage it (what were you wearing) and just because someone dresses like a slut doesnt mean that anyone can fuck them whenever they want. regardless of what someone is wearing you need to respect them, man or woman.
If it's hot out and a man wants to run around topless, he can without being arrested. With women, they are not allowed the same liberties.
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Granted some might not choose to anyway because it might injure them physically, but just being able to have that option would be nice for all people
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I mean, we're all born with bodies, why can't we learn to accept seeing them naked, and not just with sexual intent?
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I'm probably just the odd one here
Honestly if you think you can see someone naked and not have any sexual arousal you must be really special. Also about the shirtless guy situation, u don't see guys running around in tight yoga pants and sports bras, nor do i think anyone wants to see that. Point being we live in a world where we have sexual urges and sexual parts, it kind of sucks but it's life. (also i don't generally go out anywhere in public shirtless)
You might be right there, but I think that our aversion from seeing guys in spandex and such is because we were taught that our privates were to remain private, and that our sexual feelings are shameful, and to be embarrassed about, even for straight, cis people.
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Maybe it's as you say, and my views are a bit weird. When I think about space and the universe, though, it makes me wonder how we can't just embrace ourselves as we were born.
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(I'm not saying clothes aren't to be thrown out, just that we use them with practicality, as well as to express ourselves. This is to say that if guys want to wear bras, spandex, or whatever, that it should be okay; just as it should be fine for women to wear pants, hoodies, or walk around topless when it's hot outside)
No one is even focusing on what this guy did! almost everyone is just talking about a comment a few women made trying to make feminists seem bad but look at everyone posting his picture around not even commenting on what he did but what was said about what he wore. We fucking get it already!! These pictures are pissing me off.
OH FFS this isn't the point, Women protest about wearing what they like because they get told that if they wear the wrong thing there going to get RAPED. Men who wear shirts plastered with naked women on them to a media conference about something thats meant to be profound and important are silly. Which of these things is not like the other kids. Grow up and learn what feminism is about before you start opening your sad, stupid mouths.
It could be argued that his shirt was objectifying women, not that I think it's that bad. I do believe the length to which the "feminists" went to were unnecessary, but would also like to point out that even smart people can make stupid decisions, and that his shirt probably is a bit inappropriate, and slightly degrading for him. Sorry.
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The problem is the line between appreciation and objectification (assuming there's no obviously creepy behaviours) is all in intent and opinion, by calling his choice to wear the shirt objectification of women you are assuming he holds certain views when he could just have failed to realise it would offend. You should always assume ignorance before malice.
Why is objectifying women bad? What is actually bad about it? i'm not sure people even know what objectifying means in it's original definition. Surely all that matters is how you actually treat them. Plus it is unlikely that any man only ever thinks as women as objects. However it is a fact that all men sometimes think of women as objects; that's life. A woman who values a man's clothes is also participating in a form of objectification, but men don't care.
Objectifying women, (or anyone, what do you think slave owners saw their slaves as? Hint: objects) is dehuminizing. When someone is objectified, they are no longer looked at as an equal, they are seen as someone to be used, and that use is more important then that person. Using that person is seen as a right or entitlement, while the rights of the objectified person are thrown out the window.
We are not talking about men and women looking at someone and thinking "hey they're hot, my body finds theirs attractive." Objectifying someone involves reducing who someone into an object to fulfill a selfish (rather than mutual) purpose. You can objectify people based on gender, but also by income/social status, race, culture, or even geography.
Do you really think objectifying a person is the same as objectifying clothing?
I'm not sure about the shirt thing, but I know that every one in four girls will be sexually assaulted, and every seventeen minutes in Canada alone a woman is raped. So when feminists are protesting out in the streets, saying "No matter what we wear, you have NO RIGHT to touch us without our consent," they aren't HURTING anyone. So do a little research before you start acting like idiots.
"Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape." - http://www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault
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Granted some might not choose to anyway because it might injure them physically, but just being able to have that option would be nice for all people
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I mean, we're all born with bodies, why can't we learn to accept seeing them naked, and not just with sexual intent?
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I'm probably just the odd one here
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Maybe it's as you say, and my views are a bit weird. When I think about space and the universe, though, it makes me wonder how we can't just embrace ourselves as we were born.
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(I'm not saying clothes aren't to be thrown out, just that we use them with practicality, as well as to express ourselves. This is to say that if guys want to wear bras, spandex, or whatever, that it should be okay; just as it should be fine for women to wear pants, hoodies, or walk around topless when it's hot outside)
We are not talking about men and women looking at someone and thinking "hey they're hot, my body finds theirs attractive." Objectifying someone involves reducing who someone into an object to fulfill a selfish (rather than mutual) purpose. You can objectify people based on gender, but also by income/social status, race, culture, or even geography.
Do you really think objectifying a person is the same as objectifying clothing?