Although, he did horrible things the benefits to society he brought were fairly high. The world would be an entirely different place if it wasn't for Hitlers rise to power.
Soldiers are now responsible for their own actions, regardless of whether they were following orders. War atrocities are better catagorized, recognizable, and punishable by international law.
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The first one might be because of Vietnam but I'm pretty sure it was WWII that started it.
Outlawing of Vivisection, fathering modern rocketry, the idea of the autobahn, animal conservation, one of the few nations to successfully ban tobacco products, welfare programs, innovative film production and technology, vast advancements in the medical field, etc. You owe quite a bit to the Nazis and to Hitler.
Ayup. Would you kill many millions of people to get those advances? Would we have got many/all of them without the holocaust? "What about all the good things Hitler did?" is not really a question that should be asked.
Hitler also didn't come up with many/most of those advances, the people under him did. Feel free to point out which of the things metalman posted we can attribute specifically to Hitler.
Metalman, I thought of another way that "The world would be an entirely different place if it wasn't for Hitlers rise to power." There would be more Jewish people in the world today.
Teddy did conservation.
Wether banning tobacco and expanding welfare were good things is highly debatable.
Film and tech wasn't done by Hitler himself, and the latter came at the cost of millions of innocent lives.
You're also right, most of the stuff was done by subordinates. What if Hitler was replaced by another dictator of similar ideal and caliber? Same shit would happen, same advances. It's not Hitler, it's what was done under him and the repercussions given by the other countries because of him and them.
You're arguing that because Bill Gates didn't personally invent the Xbox, Windows OS, Hotmail, Windows mobile OS, and all the other Microsoft stuff, we can't attribute most of Microsoft's advances to Bill Gates. Well if it wasn't for Gates, we wouldn't have Microsoft, and by corollary, we wouldn't have many of their products even under a different name.
Not just Jews. Why does everyone focus on Jews? He also killed millions of OTHER people in the internment camps, but he also (by your logic) killed hundreds of thousands of soldiers. I can accept your logic. But by your logic which is essentially Hitler is responsible for what he indirectly did, he's also responsible for our tech and legal advances of which some are outlined above.
Approximately 6 million Jews were killed, 5,000,000 of other groups which the Nazis and their collaborators murdered and persecuted were: Gypsies, Serbs, Polish intelligentsia, resistance fighters from all the nations, German opponents of Nazism, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, habitual criminals, and the "anti-social," e.g. beggars, vagrants, and hawkers.
I agree that he killed more then Jewish people. I just thought I wouldn't make the argument more complicated. Still, thank Hitler for Netflix or something.
Just in the concentration camps? Damn...
Admittedly, we can see from here that Jews make up over 50% of the kills, but there were a bunch of other denominations.
No about 4 million in concentration camps and 2 million that were hunted down, gunned, down, or just didn't survive the trip to the concentration camps. Many concentration camps were used as prisons and labor camps for criminals of Nazi Germany but their aren't many statistics on how many of them died.
Are we still arguing "What about all the good things Hitler did?" I just fail to see the validity. Perhaps if I engaged in some genocide to get some perspective on the matter.
Were we arguing that to begin with? I'm under the impression we're arguing that because of Hitler, people were able to bring about lots of advances in several fields. Small difference.
I just don't know that there's a vast difference between the two arguments. Are you happy with the way history played out for that specific chapter simply because we happened to get welfare and animal conservation? Obviously there were technological advances in wartime. That's not a "thanks Hitler" moment though, that's just something that would have come about anyway.
"That's something that would have come about anyway." Let me ask you this without the dark ages where would we be technologically? Maybe 100 years further, a thousand, or maybe less? You and I have no idea how the world would've turned out without Hitler. The Great Depression is fairly similar to the Dark Ages in the instance that innovations and inventions weren't worth a damn. What if the Great Depression lasted another 100 or so years? We might have been even further back in technology then we are today.
"The number one mistake anyone could ever make in history is making the assumption that only inhuman monsters are capable of doing terrible things.
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Stop dehumanizing hitler just so that you can reassure yourself that "normal" humans aren't capable of doing bad things. Hitler liked children and dogs, he was a vegetarian, and he cried like a little boy when his mother died.
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I'm not saying he was a good, innocent person, but when you stop attributing human characteristics to historical figures like Hitler, it's how you overlook people just like him in real life, and it's how people like him end up back in power."
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No wonder the art school didnt accept him. The building with the pointed roof as well as the wall parallel to it have a different perspective point than all the other walls.
I didn't say anything about you before you commented back, did I? I was talking about Hitler and how he killed millions of innocent men, women, and children. I can't believe how you are siding with a man who, if in fact you lived in that time, wouldn't think twice about killing anyone. His soldiers picked up babies by the feet and swung their head as hard as they could into fucking walls, and you're sitting here and telling me that it is wrong to simply express my opinion about Hitler and his actions. I agree that it was wrong of me to assume that no one cares, but I don't find it cool that he painted a picture, and even more so that you are insulting me because I called Hitler a prick. Have you even seen Schindler's List? I suspect you know nothing about this subject.
I never said she couldn't have her own opinion. And other guest, you assumed that that was my only knowledge of world war two or any other happenings in that time, which is not.
I really don't get why the other guest is downvoted that much. Apparently, the worst thing you can do on the internet is to point out how stupid it is to worship Hitler like he was the greatest artist in a long time and some kind of artistic genius. His paintings aren't even that good.
Instead, he became a monster who got better than he deserved.
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The first one might be because of Vietnam but I'm pretty sure it was WWII that started it.
Wether banning tobacco and expanding welfare were good things is highly debatable.
Film and tech wasn't done by Hitler himself, and the latter came at the cost of millions of innocent lives.
You're arguing that because Bill Gates didn't personally invent the Xbox, Windows OS, Hotmail, Windows mobile OS, and all the other Microsoft stuff, we can't attribute most of Microsoft's advances to Bill Gates. Well if it wasn't for Gates, we wouldn't have Microsoft, and by corollary, we wouldn't have many of their products even under a different name.
Admittedly, we can see from here that Jews make up over 50% of the kills, but there were a bunch of other denominations.
Weren't they creeping up on US interests before we gave a damn about Hitler?
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Stop dehumanizing hitler just so that you can reassure yourself that "normal" humans aren't capable of doing bad things. Hitler liked children and dogs, he was a vegetarian, and he cried like a little boy when his mother died.
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I'm not saying he was a good, innocent person, but when you stop attributing human characteristics to historical figures like Hitler, it's how you overlook people just like him in real life, and it's how people like him end up back in power."
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Sorry Jerry, but you lost.
By no means does it mean that I liked what Hitler did.