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guest
· 9 years ago
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It's a good point; if you need the threat of eternal torture to prevent you from being a terrible person, then you're a terrible person.
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zinope
· 9 years ago
I think that misses the point though. In our societies, religion has very often been the basis for teaching morals and what is "good" and "evil." And the end goal of that is a reward/punishment at the end of it all i.e. Heaven/Hell. Without a faith, how and why should those morals be taught? You could say that we can teach good and evil and be agnostic and avoid religion and base it on being decent people overall but you forget that humanity does not see itself holistically, we see ourselves individually and because of that you need something that motivates the layman to be a decent person, something religion does exceptionally well for all its perceived flaws.
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antongustavos
· 9 years ago
If people doesnt believe in a god or heaven/hell, maybe (like myself), they want to leave a legacy all the same. I want people to look at a photograph of me and say, "he was a good man". If I can accomplish that, then Im satisfied.
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garlog
· 9 years ago
A lot of people aren't concerned with legacy though. What about them?
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antongustavos
· 9 years ago
I feel a little sorry for them, garlog. Because (not saying this is how it is) I believe that if youre not concerned with what will happen when you die (religion) or how people will remember you (legacy), it feels to me like most of those people live their lives missing out on so much incredible experience. Ive worked as a volunteer to help people in need. It was one of the most amazing things Ive ever done. People usually say that, "oh grand canyon is the greatest thing Ive ever seen". And I feel sorry for that. Grand Canyon is awesome, havent been there sadly though. But I once saw a homeless person, who I can only imagine doesnt get too much comfort per day, walk in to a burning building and save a dog which had a cast and couldnt walk. Grand Canyon in all its glory, but it doesnt beat seeing a hero being born. Sorry for the long text :P
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garlog
· 9 years ago
You sort of make it sound like people can't do good things for any other reason than legacy.
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antongustavos
· 9 years ago
Sorry if thats the case, english is not my first language so my sentence structure might be a little bad and therefore make it sound like that. Of course people do good things without caring about their legacy, I jsut feel like, and this is just how I feel, not a fact, that a lot of people who DOESNT care about legace or the afterlife, doesnt care a lot about what they do in life either. Not like all of them are suicidal or anything, but people who has all the chances and opportunities to do something great if they put some work in, but rather just take a shitty job because its the easy way out. do you get what I mean? :P
garlog
· 9 years ago
I see, I think I understand, but I think there are a lot of other reasons people can have to be passionate about what they do. Although I suppose a lot of those things aren't incredibly philanthropic.
antongustavos
· 9 years ago
Absolutely!
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· 9 years ago
I always hated it how people said (btw I'm not religious) "what stops you from doing wrong? How do you know what's good and bad without a god?" UM EXCUSE ME JEHOVAH'S WITNESS FIRST OF ALL I HAVE THIS THING CALLED COMMON SENSE. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE GOD DOESN'T MEAN I'M GONNA GO START A SCHOOL SHOOTING.
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guest
· 9 years ago
What's the link to fun substance? It seems I got stuck on political/personalviews/notfun/substance
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guest
· 9 years ago
Rust Cohle !!!
sephoria223
· 9 years ago
is that who this guy is? my cousin met him.
guest
· 9 years ago
Muslim but i respect
