Why should a company be able to dictate what you do when you are off the clock?
9 years ago by dookehh · 2368 Likes · 23 comments · Popular
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· 9 years ago
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It's s morality thing,
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famousone
· 9 years ago
If those things are against the company's beliefs or reflect badly on them, it's perfectly reasonable and they have no reason to pay for hours you're not working.
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guest
· 9 years ago
When you get a job, you sign a contract to represent that company. If you do or say something to jeopardize that company's stature then you have become a liability and should be dismissed from your position
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whospikedthepunch
· 9 years ago
I've never been fired from a job for something I've done while off the clock (I've actually never been fired from a job at all unless you count the time I didn't show up or call in for three shifts because I was hospitalized) I've even called one boss a titanic sh*t stain to his face once while off the clock.
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guest
· 9 years ago
It's when you do those things publicly then that's when it becomes a real issue.
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
OP, a job is NOT a right. If you think employees off time should be irrelevant, you should go ahead and run a company, then hire/employ whomever you like. Best of luck to you. A free world is really that simple.
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deleted
· 9 years ago
amen,brother!!!!
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lucykate
· 9 years ago
One of my coworkers lost her position as assistant manager because she had a second job bartending (which she refused to quit)and our owner didn't think that was professional. I totally understand that. My problem is drug testing. I smoke weed to help with my back pain and anxiety (it's legal for medicinal use in Michigan) and I honestly don't think that's any of my employer's business, especially since I never go into work high because I have respect and common sense. I have an excellent work record so clearly it doesn't affect my work; at my old job the best workers were all stoners haha. I'm not stupid, I get why businesses drug test, especially industrial work, but really I see it mostly as a form of discrimination.
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
I assume you arent attaining it legally?? And before you say it, YES theres a big difference. One is braking the law, the other isnt. Your employer is likely less interested in what you do on your time but really interested if youre the type of person to ignore rules or, in the case of weed, state law. Youre state of sobriety may differ on and off the clock, but your sense of right/wrong does not.
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lucykate
· 9 years ago
I obtain it legally. And like I said, I am an extremely hard worker and was raised with good morals and a pretty solid sense of what's right and what's wrong. I'm not just a stoner who wants to smoke my weed, I'm a medicinal patient but since that's state law it doesn't matter and I still have to pass drug tests for jobs.
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
If your employer is a company worth working for, and you are as valuable as you say, they shouldnt fire you even though they can. That being said if all other things were equal, i would hire a non smoker over a smoker (both weed and cigarettes).
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lucykate
· 9 years ago
I'm talking about new employment. Most places just drug test you to get in and it doesn't seem fair to completely rule someone out for employment just because they use weed medicinally. And most places will automatically throw you out of the running for a position if you drop dirty regardless of employment history or your interview and etc. You have a valid argument and I respect your opinion, as I stated above, I understand why companies drug test. Personally it just bothers me.
princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
I too appreciate the civil discussion. Maybe you could ask yourself whats more important to you, the job you seek or the weed.
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lucykate
· 9 years ago
That is a very good question and I have had to ask myself that before. I have given it up in order to get a job in the past, in the long run it is more important to me to have a job/source of income than to have weed. But again I use it for chronic pain and I'd rather use weed than heavy duty pain killers that make me unable to function. Anyways, it is the company's right to drug test job applicants, but it is also my right to disagree with it. Obviously I still do the drug tests and I make sure I drop clean, just frustrating.
whospikedthepunch
· 9 years ago
You know, you could likely easily get something from your doctor that would clear the drug tests for weed anyway (I'm not 100% on that since the only time one of my drug tests came back positive was because of a prescription pain killer,)
niriel
· 9 years ago
Whut, in which country do they do that? The name of the company for which you work isn't written on your face, so why do they care? Do they also refuse to hire you if you don't have a public Facebook profile?
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
So you're saying that if you were managing a few employees. One of them admitted to you that they hope to one day save enough money that they could buy 10 puppies so that they could torture them in their basement. Youre saying that this information is irrelevant to you as long as the corporate logo is not tattooed on their forehead?
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niriel
· 9 years ago
First, that employee hasn't done anything wrong yet, besides being creepy once in private with me, which is far from being a crime. Second, that employee is probably ill, a condition that is better dealt with by getting him/her the help they need than by firing them.
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
I never said it was a crime, but you just said that its not wrong to execute a plan to torture animals? Sounds pretty wrong to me.
guest
· 9 years ago
No he said it they hadn't done anything wrong YET. That's hardly the same as condoning puppy torture.
princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
You guys are missing the point. The hypothetical employee is a bad person away from work. Its highly likely his true personality doesnt change when he gets to work. His beliefs and values dont align with the companies' and THAT is as good of a reason as any to fire/not hire. The professional world is not like the land of participation trophies and entitlement that you grew up in. Pretending that it is, isn't going to hand you much enjoyment. Its not a cruel world out here, its simply a world where the achievement comes before the reward.
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bethorien
· 9 years ago
its illegal to fire someone for their beliefs or values. at least in the U.S.
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
That's not entirely true. If im a Muslim and i fire someone because they believe in the Christian bible, that is illegal. But if i fire them because they believe manipulating employees is ok and i dont, i am well within the boundaries of the law. Employment is NOT a right.
