Please don't burn the Bible, as it would cause many Christians (including myself) a lot of offence as it contains the teachings of our God, even if a lot of idiots do interpret it poorly and use it for hate. If you're going to burn any book, burn of mice and men, because that has caused a unmeasurable amount of stress for me at school.
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Nah.. I'm burning the bible
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WHY DO ANY OF YOU WANT TO BURN BOOKS, YOU MONSTERS!!!!
Of mice and men made me cry from stress during the run up to the controlled assessment. That book deserves to die
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NO NO NO, THAT'S THE OPPOSITE OF A BOOK THAT HAS TO DIE, THAT MEANS IT WAS GREAT!!! *starts calming down* Look I've never had to do this before but I declare the entire comment section has to go sit in the corner and think about what it has said.
you would be a fan of Fahrenheit 451 however it would be a utopian future for you and not a dystopian. And to finish He who destroys a good book destroys reason itself - John Milton
Of mice and men didn't make me cry because it made me sad, it made me cry because I had to analyse it under exam conditions for five whole hours. That's why I hate it
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1. I hate burning books, but we could really do without religion in the world is what I'm saying.
2. Lenny, it's awesome that you commented about of mice and men.
3. Fahrenheit 451 is still dystopian to me
Getting rid of religion is going to far, but getting rid of the people who wrongly use religion to preach hate instead of love and peace is what we need to do
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Getting rid of religion at this point in time would do the world a lot of good
I don't care if I offend. I have the right to offend and you have the right to not give a shit/ move on and ignore. Religion contributes nothing to society anymore except for a very false comfort that is only a bit comforting really, and only to a few. Because you also think you'll burn in hell forever for being gay. I think it's more fear than comfort really. I was raised Catholic. I know all about it. It breeds ignorance and hatred. It does nothing but regress the world, and especially science.
Having the right to say what you want even if it's offensive, isn't that kinda like another right we have? Like freedom of religion or something.
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Yes, which I respect. I didn't say I wanted to take away religious freedom, I said I wish it didn't exist nowadays. I want it to be completely wiped from people's minds, every church turned into a laboratory or research center.
Religion, money, and politics. Get rid of those things and the world'll be much better off. Unfortunately that's never gonna happen.
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"If every trace of any single religion were wiped out and nothing were passed on, it would never be created exactly that way again. There might be some other nonsense in its place, but not that exact nonsense. If all of science were wiped out, it would still be true and someone would find a way to figure it all out again." -Penn Jillette
I think I'd try something more practical since we're writing santa, like getting rid of greed, hate, and vanity...ya know since those are the things that corrupt Religion, and politics. But hey, that's just me.
And @YCW if you are planning to do away with someone else's religious beliefs you can't then say you respect them having them...
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I respect the freedom part, not the religion part. I can despise religion and accept that some people are religious. The girl I love is Catholic and I don't love her any less for it.
It's not about religions though, it's people. One person will preach about hatred and bigotry and another will teach of love and forgiveness, even if we all woke up tomorrow and didn't remember any of our religious beliefs we'd still have hate. Unfortunately you are asking to get rid of religion but what you really want rid of is sin.
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I hate the word sin. I want to get rid of religion. Not just for the hatred and wrongdoings, but the actual bullshit belief systems that reject science and accept magic. You want to believe in magic? Study quantum physics. You want to find out how the universe came to be? Look at redshift in distant galaxies, not a book filled with hatred and perversion.
I'm religious. I don't believe in magic, I believe in science. I understand and accept all our theories about the big bang. But, nobody knows what started it all. I believe that it was God, who was somehow here before all of this and that is what the creation story is trying to represent, I don't take that literally. And going back to an earlier comment, I don't think gays burn in hell, my mum and I left our old church because of the fact many of the people there, including those in charge, are homophobic.
A belief in religion isn't an absence of the knowledge of science. I consider myself to be Christian, but I've never not loved science or never not believed scientific facts. Choosing to have either faith or science is a choice.
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You seem to be under the misconception that religion and science are mutually exclusive.
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After watching documentaries on climate change and how these towns in Texas filled with mega churches say it's all "gods plan" and after seeing how a religious dude in a position of power delayed the particle accelerator creation by 15 years because he was afraid they wouldn't find a god in the center of the universe and after creationists telling me dinosaurs didn't exist or that "man hunted them into extinction" yeah for the most part I think they are mutually exclusive. They're damn sure not compatible. A rainbow is not "gods covenant with man", it's refracted light dammit.
YCW you're just picking certain people who fit your opinion and that's exactly what the people who preach hate with a bible in thier hand is doing with thier religion.
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No I'm really not, I'm giving examples because those people are the vast majority of Christians I come across. They produce no real arguments when handed the burden of proof, only saying "I just know in my heart"
If they "know in their heart" that the earth is flat you can just ignore their bullshit for the rest of eternity. It's not religion that's uneducated, it's the people.
Ok, my bible teaches me what I believe to be true and it is a book that is history. I'm not just knowing in my heart, although I do feel faith in God. I know that most people believe that in order to believe in God I can't believe in science, but I see it differently. I believe that God is the ultimate scientist. He knows all and has seen all, the same way a scientist in a lab closely watches his work. In the bible, I believe that God only tells us a very small amount of information and in a way people will understand, if you think about the mindset of people back then it would be more convincing to explain everything the way the bible does if you want them to believe it...knowing that after it gets passed down over time the belief will stay strong. It also tells you in the bible (mine at least) that there's much more god wants to teach us but we'd not understand yet. I chose to believe in this, but I also am making a choice when I believe other history books.
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The bible is not a history book, it is a work of fiction. Are you aware that Nazareth did not even exist when people say that Jesus did? (Though now there are serious doubts that Jesus even existed at all). And the bible is always telling bullshit stories that break universal laws. Such as the law of conservation of matter.
Jesus did exist. There is no doubt about it. There are Roman, Jewish, and Christian records of it, and two of the three wished that Jesus never even existed. Jesus the Son of God is up for debate. Well...not really because there's nothing to debate. It's faith.
I'm not trying to get you to believe it, I'm not trying to get you to like it, and I'm not going to debate it with I'm presuming an atheist. I am saying that I am religious, I believe in science, I don't hate anyone, and if religion itself taught hate and bigotry then I would be a hateful bigot. It is in human nature to be greedy, to harm others, and to hate what they don't understand. If you want that to stop, then religion isn't where you should be looking it's science....somewhere yet to be found, in our brain, or chemistry, maybe our DNA that causes people to be hate and greed filled. If this were a science experiment then you would have data, if you took data from everyone and broke it down into 2 groups (one being religious people and one being non religious people) and you tested them for greed, hate, ect...You would see that religion has nothing to do with our human nature...and human nature is all science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth#Early_Christian_era
"Nazareth is not mentioned in ancient Jewish sources earlier than the third century CE" which implies that Nazareth did exist before AD.
EDIT: oh wait fuck CE is current era nvm my argument is invalid
even though you can keep your views on religion maybe you just don't need int right now I'm an atheist but if one of my family members were to fall very ill i would think i would convert.
You're going to argue that you don't believe in God because it's just "A work of fiction" but you're using a list someone just made up to argue it? Do you see the issue I have here?
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If you think you'd convert to religion because something bad happened, you're not really an atheist...
good argument here guys.
I'm really on the fence for this one. Yeah, I don't believe in any higher power, but that's just how I am. I naturally doubt things like that. I really don't think it'd be possible for me to have faith of any kind. That's why I believe in science, I guess. Cold hard facts that continue to explain our world. So while I do agree with YCW on that - YCW, you can't deny all the good that some people are doing in the name of religion. The current Pope is extraordinarily progressive, and he's doing all he can to help everyone, especially those in poverty. He doesn't hate gays, he doesn't reject science, he just wants to help. Now, I know that not all...
...religious men are like the Pope (the 9/11 bombers for example),
but when someone that important in the worlds largest religion is doing everything right - we have to accept that in the modern age, religion isn't that bad.
My point is, people can believe whatever the fuck they want, but they just shouldn't be assholes about it.
Yeah but what I'm saying is that not everything religious is bad. Removing religion entirely removes the Pope, as well as the hundreds of religious charities.
The people who are doing bad in the name of religion isn't even going by the religion they're claiming to be! These different religions doctrine doesn't say to hurt people, it says the exact opposite. These people would hurt and kill other people if they never heard of thier religion...it has nothing to do with religion at all. That's like saying people are bad for thier race, a group of a certain race are terrorizing everyone so the whole race is just bad and we must do away with them...it's just plain wrong.
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Really cause to name one thing, the bible says To stone to death any woman who cheats
That's the old testament and they use that as an example of what not to do, after Jesus begins his teaching people they were living in the wrong way...Jesus stopped them and said "Let the man without sin cast the first stone." Jesus goes on to say "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord" The bible tells us NOT TO JUDGE one another "Judge not, yet ye be judged" so no...the old testament tells of how horrible it was before Christ and then the new testament tells everyone what to do instead.
2. Lenny, it's awesome that you commented about of mice and men.
3. Fahrenheit 451 is still dystopian to me
And @YCW if you are planning to do away with someone else's religious beliefs you can't then say you respect them having them...
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You seem to be under the misconception that religion and science are mutually exclusive.
"Nazareth is not mentioned in ancient Jewish sources earlier than the third century CE" which implies that Nazareth did exist before AD.
EDIT: oh wait fuck CE is current era nvm my argument is invalid
I'm really on the fence for this one. Yeah, I don't believe in any higher power, but that's just how I am. I naturally doubt things like that. I really don't think it'd be possible for me to have faith of any kind. That's why I believe in science, I guess. Cold hard facts that continue to explain our world. So while I do agree with YCW on that - YCW, you can't deny all the good that some people are doing in the name of religion. The current Pope is extraordinarily progressive, and he's doing all he can to help everyone, especially those in poverty. He doesn't hate gays, he doesn't reject science, he just wants to help. Now, I know that not all...
but when someone that important in the worlds largest religion is doing everything right - we have to accept that in the modern age, religion isn't that bad.
My point is, people can believe whatever the fuck they want, but they just shouldn't be assholes about it.
We shouldn't just remove all religion, we should remove all those who do evil shit IN THE NAME of religion