US citizens couldn't overthrow their government any more easily than any other country, guns or no guns. We have a highly trained military that would wipe out any "sovereign citizen" rebellion very quickly if called in. Plus, what most people who are "protecting themselves from the government" fail to realize is that a vast majority of gun owners are Americans first, and will defend their country from an uprising until the military arrives. It's not "democracy only as long as I like the people who get voted in," it's "I pledge allegience to the flag of the USA, and to the Republic for which it stands."
Many. Most likely not enough. And what a lot of people stirring shit fail to realize is that the majority of Americans think they're full of shit and will not let them overthrow their government.
Nowadays the causes are rarely just. Most people cuddling guns and saying they want to overthrow the government (in the US) are people who want to benefit without following laws and feel like their rights are infringed because they have to do things the same way everyone else does. The "wrongs" most of them are touting leave the rest of us shaking our heads.
At least one third of our military will join a rebellion, and take their training and military tech with them. The government can fall under that "foreign and domestic" bit too.
Oh yeah, and "sovereign citizens" are dunces, most gun owners are law abiding citizens, they just want the failsafe. There have been plenty of rebellions in American history, plenty of opportunities to do away with thebsecond ammendment, but they didn't, because, unlike the politicians of today, they understand that it is a fundamental right of the people.
One third of our military, vs 2/3 of our military plus the citizens who will join and/or be draftedbplus our allies' armies, and that 1/3 won't have access to nearly as much artillary as the main body. The US was built on the fundamental belief that everything can be worked out democratically. We have all the mechanisms in place for that. You can't make everyone happy all the time, but most have faith in the system. Rebellions have all failed here because there aren't enough "I don't like those rules" whiners to fuel them.
Dancadamorte - "Most people cuddling guns and saying they want to overthrow the government (in the US) are people who want to benefit without following laws and feel like their rights are infringed because they have to do things the same way everyone else does" ........ that word that you used, "most", i would love to understand how you came to believe what you wrote is true?
There are lots of legitimate ways to affect change in government. I don't understand how people who can't be bothered to do anything more than post their opinion on facebook, are talking about overthrowing the government. You think people want violent revolution?! We can't even stand to be without a smart phone while we poo.
Please remember we did it once, it is entirely possible to do it again. Not that I am for a violent revolution but it is definitely time for a change. If the change does not come soon politically, the we will get closer and closer to a military solution.
I do know that there are hundreds of thousands of people who are not satisfied with the corruption in our government who are willing to take action against it. In many small ways it is currently happening. Please do not spout off unless you can back it up by facts.
Many military and ex-military veterans are willing to change things by any means necessary.
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations."
Thomas Jefferson.
"When dictatorship is a fact, revolution is a right." Victor Hugo.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy.
"Any people anywhere being inclined and having the power have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better." Abraham Lincoln.
You're damn right we protect our capabilities to protect ourselves.
While this is, in fact, the point of the gun laws, do you think it would matter that you have a gun to fight with when the government can send unmanned drones at you, just as one example? The technology gap is so wide you're fucked in the USA if you want to revolt so there really isn't a point to the gun laws anymore.
Drones are manned by Americans.
Our soldiers and officers are Ameican too.
The people will be fighting feds, and when the fighting gets loud enough, our military will side with the just.
Our military is comprised entirely of volunteers, and the men and women that get their feet wet will be the first to join the people.
^ he's right. Giving up or not giving up guns is a matter of trust toward your government. If you trust that your government is, and always will, function within your approval by all means give up all your freedoms. If you dont trust them, hang on with both hands.
The use of drones will only make more american people rise up against the government. It would be a self-defeating action. If a government starts killing their own people for expressing their rights, all you do is turn more people against against the government.
Just like to point out that there are many foreigners in our military; you do not have to be an American citizen to join, and the Democrats have relaxed the rules even further to where you do not even have to be in the country legally! If it were to come down to the government using drones to kill citizens, they already have plenty of people on board who might not have a problem with it. I actually believe it's a question of "when" rather than "if" they turn on us.
Certainly, but just how many illegal aliens who are only here until the government gets mad at them, or Muslims with an extremist bent, or (insert any non-American agenda) would it really take to run a drone operation for a renegade administration?
And think about just how many loyal Germans followed Hitler's orders, or how many loyal Russians followed Stalin?
Not saying it will ever happen, but history tells us it could; easily.
Drones would just add fuel to revolutionary flames.
Besides, when the greater part of the military joins the people, they'll have the means to evade, destroy, or hijack the drones.
The guys I'd be worried about are the SOCOM badasses. The hardcore killers. But I think they'd be the first to support the people.
Do a little research on just how many drones are in the hands of various agencies and police departments right now. And how many government agencies and local police departments have full military equipment and weapons. Hell the FDA, USDA, and even the welfare department have stockpiles of weapons and swat gear. W. H. Y. ???
The infrastructure is already in place.
Problem with drones is that the predator drone is the big bad scary one but Chuck Schumer has had every child's radio controlled flying toy labeled "drone". 99% of these can be brought down by a Mossberg 500 and #8 low brass trap loads.
But true enough I suppose.
I do know that there are hundreds of thousands of people who are not satisfied with the corruption in our government who are willing to take action against it. In many small ways it is currently happening. Please do not spout off unless you can back it up by facts.
Many military and ex-military veterans are willing to change things by any means necessary.
Thomas Jefferson.
"When dictatorship is a fact, revolution is a right." Victor Hugo.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy.
"Any people anywhere being inclined and having the power have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better." Abraham Lincoln.
You're damn right we protect our capabilities to protect ourselves.
Our soldiers and officers are Ameican too.
The people will be fighting feds, and when the fighting gets loud enough, our military will side with the just.
Our military is comprised entirely of volunteers, and the men and women that get their feet wet will be the first to join the people.
Not saying it will ever happen, but history tells us it could; easily.
Besides, when the greater part of the military joins the people, they'll have the means to evade, destroy, or hijack the drones.
The guys I'd be worried about are the SOCOM badasses. The hardcore killers. But I think they'd be the first to support the people.
The infrastructure is already in place.