Doesn't matter what the movement is 'supposed' to be about, when the leaders and organizers are racist and intolerant, the movement has effectively changed.
That's exactly what some people are saying about the phrase "white pride" and the Confederate flag. But apparently when it comes to those it doesn't matter what it's meaning has become and the only important thing is what they're 'supposed' to be.
The confederate flag hasn't been hijacked, it's been defamed.
The new 'white pride' movement, from what I've seen, is just white people trying to reclaim a decency that political correctness is stripping them of.
It is relevant. The BLM movement is an international movement with no leadership--which you keep claiming they have--and no central demands. The BLM title has been applied liberally to pretty much anything and everything by the media, half of which BLM groups don't even claim. But you're willing to say "everyone who participates in a BLM chapter is racist/terrible" while simultaneously saying "but not everybody who flies this flag or uses this phrase is bad, it's just been given a bad name by some." Either something can be hijacked by a few and doesn't apply to the many, or once it's bad it's bad.
You just contradicted yourself. How can you say an organization without central leadership and no demands not be represented by all members of the organization? For example the racist part, you said that they don't stand for what BLM is about and yet no one has knows what they're about.
@dancadamorte I'm sorry but to say that there is no leadership or central demands is just completely wrong. The BLM movement has three founders, and three main people that are the face of the movement. While true it is not like a company, it does have leaders and most certainly has central demands. Here is a link to their website that gives the list of the formal demands that the founders of BLM hope to push forward through Congress, you say that "half of the groups don't even claim", well they provide the list of Black Organizations, including Black Lives Matter Network, that support these demands.
https://policy.m4bl.org/platform/
"Where's all the noise about human health when it's cancer killing people? Why is this pharmaceutical company only focusing on HIV? All human health issues matter." That it what I hear when people whine about this.
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Because human health issues arent being divided by some bull
Black Lives Matter is just what the guest above said, "black lives matter too." The FOP is Friends Of Police, nobody on her is saying "But you should be supporting EVERYONE!" or pointing out the recent report on the Baltimore Police. They say "There are a few bad cops, not all are bad." Then turn around and say "There are hundreds of peaceful BLM rallies, but these handful were negative so ALL BLM ARE BAD." All these white mass shooters, but the rallying call is "these are disturbed individuals," not "ALL GUN OWNERS ARE BAD." See the theme here? As somebody once said, "If you have no problem with "Blue Lives Matter" but you have a problem with "Black Lives Matter" then maybe take a look at which word you have a problem with."
I like how you forget about BLM leaders having outrageous demands from everyone, and how they've sanctioned/ encouraged attacks against whites and officers.
You're grouping individuals in with the entirety. The white armed militia that took over in Oregan had outrageous demands and admired/encouraged the shooting/murder of elected officials and even cops. They received support from people all over the country, they weren't just mocked. But nobody goes on about how that means all white people who own guns want to burn down the government. As a movement (an international one) they do have some valid complaints, and the BLM umbrella is often the only banner large enough for smaller groups to get their complaints heard. There IS no BLM leadership, it has no leadership structure, there are only a few that are more well known than others. Their demands aren't the demands of the group as a whole, and one of the main tenets of BLM is nonviolent protest. Just like one of the tenet of the police force is to protect and serve. Some bad police officers don't do that, and some people in the BLM ignore the nonviolence request. They get denounced.
@dancadamorte Once again, you are wrong to say that one of the tenets of the BLM movement is not violence, and I would like to see proof of this claim. Because here I see an interview with one of the three founders of the BLM movement that, rather than saying that she denounces the aborhent behavior of violent BLM protestors, she instead says that they promote "tactics that shake up the comfort level". When asked about moving Al Sharpton (a BLM speaker that promotes peaceful protests at every event) out of the way for a younger face to take his place, Alicia Garza says that times have changed and the needs have changed, and he needs to step aside and instead listen to the younger on what is needed. She is given multiple other opportunities to say that she denounces the violence, but instead she defends it. Once again @dancadamorte , where is your proof? Here's mine:
https://youtu.be/Y5WeJaNtMQs
Black people got shot, some didn't have it coming, so now a group called Black Lives Matter is trying to restructure society to treat black people more 'fairly'.
The controversy is that many believe the problems are overstated, most of the shootings have been ruled as justified, and leaders of the movement have aproved of and encouraged extreme measures, thus making matters even worse.
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I support BLM to an extent. America has a serious race issue and some people refuse to confront it. Although shoving an agenda down anyone's throat is never a good idea. But i get so much flak for saying "all lives matter", and I don't even say it to retalliate the BLm movements, i just say it in general. The term has become so taboo and it's sad. BLM have demonized a phrase which is really concerning but then again america demonizes BLM just as much.
The new 'white pride' movement, from what I've seen, is just white people trying to reclaim a decency that political correctness is stripping them of.
https://policy.m4bl.org/platform/
https://youtu.be/Y5WeJaNtMQs
The controversy is that many believe the problems are overstated, most of the shootings have been ruled as justified, and leaders of the movement have aproved of and encouraged extreme measures, thus making matters even worse.