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The word "protect" is definitely an opinion and can be biased. To be unbiased it would say "allow us to continue." A lot of people dislike Planned Parenthood because they push abortions more than anything else and many people don't consider it just another form of birth control. A lot of people really dislike Planned Parenthood because of the way they sold aborted baby body parts . So "protected" makes it seem like it's under some unreasonable assault when the people who are trying to defund Planned Parenthood are doing it for what they consider very legitimate reasons.

Maybe a completely neutral aspect on Planned Parenthood would be if it were supported only by donations, meaning supported by people who agree with their mission, rather than being supported by the federal government which forces people who disagree with that to pay for it anyway.

Planned Parenthood is a eugenics program created by a woman who associated herself with the KKK. Her name is Margaret Sanger. She's been know to say racist things in the past. Look it up democrats.

She was born in the US in 1879. The whole US was built on racism. Name any white person from that time in the US, they were probably racist too.

Well that's because global warming is a scam made by the chinese according to trump

Yeah and earth is flat

Yes, please. this is my biggest fear. everything else can be changed back once Trump is gone but environmental, no! Once we hurt nature how can we repair it!?

My aunt had abortions because she was pregnant. Not because of complications or rape.

I learnt that if you want an abortion, but you haven't been raped and there are no complications, you can say that it will affect your mental state

Because a lot of women get seriously bad depression after giving birth and some women have killed their newborns because of it
That's not the main reason just a reason

Obamacare was a joke, it was built to fail. you can see it right now, companies are leaving states, plans are already stopping and some people are forced to pay $1700 next year when they only payed $500 this year. it is nothing but a system that forces us to be reliant on the government. removing the borders around states will get rid of the semi-monopoly that we have and give us business competition. thus giving us a better plans while lowering cost. different note, some people also have "revenge abortions" there are an increase of women getting abortions as leverage or payback to their boyfriends or husbands. a "cool-down" period would be an important system to have.

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on what exactly... kinda confused on what you are getting at.

1)semi-monopoly->business competition->better plans->???->profit
2)revenge abortions

No I just don't believe in eugenics. You know, the basic foundation that planned parenthood was built on.

....but it wasn't though

Planned parenthood... It's literally about PLANNING TO ENTER PARENTHOOD ? The basic foundation it was built on was that people shouldn't have to go into debt if they get pregnant or get kicked out of their home because of it

I wonder. People who think planned parenthood is just an abortion clinic have actually look up what they do!??

No because they think all they do is abortion and dont care about all the good they do

51% of black pregnancies end in abortion. if that doesn't seem to be an issue to you, you are a bad person. i want abortions to be legal, but it shouldn't be the back-up plan. we need to address it properly. it is a hard subject, but it can be figured out if we work together.

IMO they can regulate it by seeing how many you've gotten and the reason
Like if you get two within a couple years, check that shit out, if they were both medically necessary then kind of ... Talk to the person and see other options for having a baby if that was their goal or tell them to get better birth control ? Cause we can't ban people from getting pregnant and some people definitely would go back to the hanger method if need be ... Idk what my point was

Diyrogue it seemed like your point was to have it more heavily regulated, but acknowledged there would still be great areas/loopholes, as with any plan. What idt a lot of people understand is that once you've had an abortion, you really don't wanna get another one. My friend had one quite recently. Two methods of control backfired and they could not, in any way mentally or financially support a child. From what I gather, it's traumatizing. she's gone as far as trying to see if she can have someone tie her tubes. From one abortion, and very early in the pregnancy. It's like saying people like going to the grocery store to wait in those long lines. No one ever wants to. They only do it when it's necessary. That's a shitty example, but people have this notion that it's easy, when it's really spending time in a bathtub, missing work, in tons of pain passing clots sized anywhere from grapes to lemons and being terrified out of your mind.

Oh yeah, I heard it's even traumatizing if it's super early and the pill looks and feels a bit worse than a period but it's the emotional and mental trauma that makes it terrible, and after a certain period you have to do the other stuff I'll not mention ( mainly because when I was wondering what the process entailed I googled it and came across a pro lifer website and basically they said the pill murderered a full born baby and while I know that's not true their imagery wasn't ... Vanilla ...)
But I digress, you will get some people who will get a bunch of them as a method of birth control ( but I feel that'll mainly be dealing with the pill, not carrying halfway then getting it for them) but that's only a few. Its like welfare, imo, you do have a few people who will knowingly abuse the system even when threat to take it away is shown, even if a majority of the people who use the services benefit from said services, and it's extremely shitty people would rather take them away

I agree sone people treat abortin as the day after pill. i knew i couple of girks thst did. I am agains THAT,but overall planned parenthood is full of good resources

my plan is a fully government funded system providing ALL systems of birth control. you still need a obgyn prescription to get it, but the visit and prescription would be free. abortion would be fully legal, but to get one a few things need to happen. firstly you need to get an ultrasound. second you need to go through a discussion on how important a step this is. third you need to wait a minimum three days to a week (reflection period) to get the procedure done. this would give people a chance to understand the severity of the situation and time to reflect and cool down, to understand if they want to still go through with it. also all those steps will be by-passable in cases of rape or health concerns. possibly in the cases of rape, that the rape would have to be reported to be able to by-pass the steps. this is the best plan i can think of where everyone can be happy.

also would like to add i think late term abortions are not allowed unless health concerns or in certain situations. and to me late term is seven and a half to eight months. basically if the doctors can induce labor and the child can survive, that should be done. we shouldn't just kill a child that is able to be born and survive at that moment.

Your second comment has my mind full of fuck rn because I can't understand it but I'll try my best, tell me if I misunderstood you; here goes: *at first comment- how would the obgyn get paid if the patient doesn't pay (raise taxes for other people, yeah that seems fair); most women already get an ultrasound when they're pregnant (unless they don't have insurance) to know they're pregnant; when you think you're pregnant you've missed a period and it's already been a month. Waiting a few more days risks the fetus of developing a heart. People lose interest once their fetus is actually pumping blood; there are far too many cases of unreported rape, no women likes to relive that moment/ holds shame/fear.
**at second comment--having a late term obortion just because you don't want it (a healthy one) is /extremely/ rare even in the us. The obortions that happen the most that aren't auto-abortions (aka miscarriages) are in the first trimester (1-3 months) (1/2)

(2/2) ....do you know how pregnancy works? Doctors don't induce pregnancy, they induce labor, but not until your body has dilated. Doctors can save a child that's born prematurely. If a women has a late term obortion it's because the fetus had complications, or her life is in danger.

we already have a system that pays money to subsidize the health care system. once obamacare is eliminated we are saving billions. we can keep a little money down to help people receive birth control, especially in low income arias. if the person is so quick to lose interest in the abortion than my system works, the baby is born and it grows up to be a member of society. well if they don't want to report it then they go through the waiting period. reporting rape makes sure other people don't gate raped by the same person. it should always be reported, least we can put patrol in dangerous arias. not reporting it makes you an accomplice. you'd be partially responsible for the next victim. in the mater of late term abortion. yes it is extremely rare, thus it doesn't really matter. this is just crossing the "T"s. this is to reduce unnecessary death. would you prefer the system we have now, or a system that we can agree on? if we don't create a unifying system people will still be fighting.

"Doctors don't induce pregnancy, they induce labor." oops mistyped sorry about that, thanks for the heads up. as far as my understanding, (and if i am wrong i am sorry) we can induce labor or do surgery to deliver the premature child. again i don't think this would ever be an issue, it is just there as a final detail. the thought of a baby that is in all intents and purposes a living child, should not be killed. that is almost as bad as taking home the baby once it is born and smothering it with a pillow. if it is a viable fetus it should have a chance in life. seriously if you are pregnant for 8 months and just NOW decide you don't want it anymore, you shouldn't be allowed to abort. though if there is any large outlining reasoning that is deemable as worthy of it, it would be ok. this could be in the discretion of the doctor, so you could always try to find a new doctor. in cases of birth defect or health concerns it would always be legal.

-Obamacare saves money for the middle/low class, get rid of it you get rid of 8mil + seniors + younger workers (18-29) year olds
-birth control is already free (in some states via PLANNED PARENTHOOD) but having an obgyn visit/ultrasound isn't. Obama gives funding so it can be more affordable.
-the purpose of having an abortion is to remove the potiential living thing before it grows. No one is going to wait a week.
-put patrol in dangerous areas?? Have you not seen Atlanta/Cleveland/Detroit/Dallas/Los Angeles?? There are more police yet more crimes are committed.
-not reporting a crime isn't a crime, only if you conceal it. (Where are you getting your information from????)
-Your plan far from ideal, in fact it might be worse.
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(2/2)
-Doctors NEVER. EVER. want to induce labor prematurely, and that's used as a final resort if the child is dying, not the mother.
-who the hell aborts a child after 8 months?? What kind of horror stories are you reading online? A sane women wouldn't do it, and a doctor can not do it, legally or not, they'd lose their licence. If they did do it themselves yes it's murder.
-its legal now..why is that a point in your argument..

ok, i am not going to fight you on this, you are purposely be contrary and are close minded to anything i am talking about, we are going in circles and you are making no sense. you are ignoring basic facts like the repeal of obamacare that it on the horizon. you can argue it, but it is going away. it failed, it is not affordable, it cost us jobs, it created a dependency on the government and it is hemorrhaging money. seriously, you are saying if a person gets raped in a park, not putting a patrol in the park in the next few days is a bad idea, due to crime rates in chicago... stop finding ways to try to disprove me, and start to have a productive conversation. because at this point you are trying to argue with me and i am trying to come up with a way to help people.

I'm calling bullshit on your statistic up there btw

??? Contrary? I'm giving you reasons why it wouldn't work! Your way of 'helping' people isn't solid. They only fact you've brought is "obamacare is getting repealed". Putting patrol in every damned park is too much labor on the workforce! Police are stretched too thin in more heavily dangerous areas. Peer reviews are excellent in situations like these because you sound like someone who hasn't weighted each plan long nor done enough research to come up with a solution that fits all issues!

"I'm calling bullshit on your statistic up there btw " it is hard to find the stats again. i don't save every link i read but here is a basic stat 'In 2012, there were more black babies killed by abortion (31,328) in New York City than were born there (24,758), and the black children killed comprised 42.4% of the total number of abortions in the Big Apple, according to a report by the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene." http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/nyc-more-black-babies-killed-abortion-born this is basically saying it was worse than i said. this stat may not be a country wide one, but it does show a big issue that is going on.

That 42% is counted from a total from all races. Not just the black pregnancies -_-

"there were more black babies killed by abortion (31,328) in New York City than were born there (24,758)" that is 55.9%. "black children killed comprised 42.4% of the total number of abortions in the Big Apple" that is out of all abortions all together, 42.4% are black. prety bad when blacks only make up 27.5% of the population in NY. i am starting to think you have a reading comprehension problem. not an insult, just an observation.

Your stat: 51% of black pregnancies end in abortion
-proven wrong unless you give me a link
Your stat: 42% of total abortions are black in MY.
-Not. Representative. Of. All. Black. Women.
Your stat: 55.9% = abortion/pregnancy percentage
-yup, never argued it was incorrect
27.5% of NY pop is black
-yup. But only half of that are women.
[So really only 14% (maybe 15%) are women.]
I challenged your initial stat and it was wrong. Then you give bullshit that had nothing to do with the whole of America and focused on only one state that has a population of 15% of black women. Why are you grasping at straws? Do you want to help women or help money? Tell me what you think of abortion, and not the policies/stats keeping it back.

wow... heh, there is really no help for you is there? you honestly don't care do you, you are just trying so hard to be right. fine, sure, go ahead. i am not wasting anymore time on this. you don't care about facts, i get it now. you win, you are right. i am wrong. feel better? i hope you get to have a restful night sleep. you get to brag to your friends. you won that conversation on funsubstance. you are the real MVP. i am so proud of you. honestly YOU should have been elected president, you are so awesome. i am so envious of your abilities. you have a wonderful night, take care you GOD among men. i hope i am honored with your presence again. tootles

-_- I ask for one piece of relevant legitimate information and you think I'm in it just for the sake of arguing. This discussion on the post was about planned parenthood, but you turned it into an argument about abortion with incorrect info. As someone who feels strongly about this topic I'm not interested in playing games or the "You won" surrender. I'm looking for an intellectual discussion that takes all issues into account with thorough evidence but I guess I won't find it here.

i will explain this simply. i came across this information a while back and at this very moment i can't find it. it would take much more time than i feel is reasonable. i found comparable information that shows the level of abortions that are going on. the exact number isn't necessarily the thing you should be focusing on. it is the fact that a large number of women are getting abortions, especially in the black community. in NY it is over 55% of all pregnancies. "Blacks comprise only 13% of the population of America but account for 37% of all abortions." with those fact is it hard to grasp my number? i don't educate myself to win arguments i do to get information. i read then move on. some of this stuff is hard to find, it is often buried with misinformation.

also i am not the one who turned this into an abortion discussion, many of the people here did, i just contributed. also you are constantly gripping at straws, dismissing minor details to try to discredit the information, when it has no value to the current discussion. example, you are constantly bringing up that it is rare that someone would have a late term abortion. i agreed with you. i told you that is is there as a minor detail that may never be used. then you continue to attack me on it. have you ever stopped to think that there are people who want to ban abortion entirely? small detail like this are ways to make it pass with their acceptance. it is not important. only the truly sick would do suck a thing, but if the sick want to, we should stop them.

you are purposely being contrary in an attempt to be right, and no mater the amount of time i am trying to explain it to you, you are trying to prove me wrong. you should be trying to build the conversation. work on ways to improve my ideas, but instead you are trying to bring them down with no reasoning. i don't like wasting time on people who don't have any use to the conversation. you are literally useless in this discussion. you bring nothing to the table. i don't care to argue, i am trying to find ways to STOP arguments. people are dying because we can't find a way to find acceptance, and all you care about is being right. STOP IT. this is more than us this is about peoples lives.

i am truly sorry for all the people who have commented on this picture and have to witness this level of stupidity. i never meant to have to waste such valuable time on pointless arguing with someone that doesn't truly care about the issue at hand. sorry and i hope you all can forgive this wall of text that has developed here, and sadly i feel this wall will "get 10 feet higher". i am going to try to not comment, but this person doesn't seem to let me.

Don't comment here then. Instead, make a chat on fs and mention me, so we can talk about this further.