Yeah but honestly I feel like he always has a thought-provoking point, even if he's being a bit of an ass. Or at least I haven't seen a segment where he'd go full "believers are dumb" or something like that. I don't follow him though so maybe I just haven't seen enough.
He once said religion is an imaginary friend. I'm going to go on a limb and say he thinks believers and dumb. He's gone waaay over the line.
And even if you don't believe in religion, so what? This guy is taking advantage of his position as a celebrity to basically be a bully.
I don't know the context so I can't say, but by itself it doesn't sound that bad. Many people turn to religion when they seek companionship or support, and there's nothing wrong with that.
I fully agree with the "so what" part. Yet there are many places around the world, even in the western world (*coughs* Texas *coughs*) where there is an obvious bias against non-believers (specifically non-Christians in this case). Did you know it's still written in some states' law books that atheists can't run for office? Of course it's not valid because federal laws state otherwise but the fact that this stuff is still in those books is concerning. Not to mention the punishment for atheism is beheading in Saudi Arabia. Personally I am 100% "so what" on the issue of religion as long as people don't try to force it upon others. And forcing atheism upon others is just as wrong imo. Nothing wrong with having a discussion about religion/atheism though.
Yeah dude, and you've got a NASA Space Center which is awesome. Science rules. I didn't mean to hate on Texas, it was supposed to be a stereotype that would demonstrate my point. Many people imagine Bible-thumping rednecks when they hear "Texas" or "southern states" which I meant as a demonstration of the fact that religious fundamentalism doesn't only exist in the third world.
It is certainly much more prevalent in the third world, however, and to equate the religious fundamentalism of the third world with that of America is incredibly disingenuous.
That's why I specifically gave examples. Nobody's dumb enough to think that I said it's the same when I gave the example of a beheading versus an unused law.
Well obviously, if you want to make a thought-provoking point then it would make no sense to target Zoroastrianism because not that many people know it and therefore not that many people would even get your point. Likewise, if you want to criticize modern music you criticize Minaj or Biebs, not some unknown rapper, because more people know what you're talking aboot.
Hey man, as long as you let me believe what I want and let me do what I want with my life, we won't have a problem. It only becomes a problem when you try to stop me.
People have different belifs which is cool BUT some people try very hard to impose their beliefs onto others, which should be targeted. He's a comedian ffs, when he makes fun of people who try to force their religion onto others, making fun of said religion is "collareral damage".
And even then, what's wrong with disagreeing with (some parts of) religion? As long as you keep it a civil debate, there is no issue.
Bear in mind that forcing your beliefs on someone is different than convincing them to think your way, which is fine. Proselytizing is fine, threatening them with death is not.
Yes which is why I wrote it's okay to disagree with religion, it's also okay to agree with religion. You're 100% entitled to your opinions as long as you can properly defend them with good arguments. But also telling someone to stop doing something because it's against your beliefs is wrong too (or at least hella annoying) because it's their lifestyle, not yours. Again you can disagree with their lifestyle all you want but you have to accept the fact that it's within their freedom to live a certain way (unless it's illegal of course)
Okay, I hate putting random stuffs around (actually I love it) but help me with this
Who am I like in belief thingy
I don't believe in THE God(s) like they usually say
But I believe there is something that's big and powerful and knows a lot of craps that human can never understand
But I think whatever that is, it doesn't give a single shit about us or the world or anything
It doesn't care if we are ill, or we are fighting on its name, and that we are destroying our only home
It just watches and waits for us to end our ''we are the highest in the food chains'' nonsense so it can make new thing
I still pray some thing tho, to that thing
Hah! I defy your god! We will be the inheritors of this universe! Our mother demands it! She has done her best to destroy us, and it has only made us stronger, and soon enough we will take to the stars, any that do not submit will be destroyed. The worlds that can be remade in Her image will be made so, and those that cannot will be hollowed out, trophies for her immutable anger.
Eh, slow your roll. Multiverse is a theory. The math backs it up, but until we travel to one of these other universes, there's no way to know for a fact that other universes exist.
You don't understand. I'm talking about the timeless existance in everything there is that has no beginning and no end. In that forever existance everything has happened. Cause it's there since forever. It has no limitations of "can't happen" ... Everything already happened. Multiverse is A MUST. Doubting it is stupid
No, I think his point is that saying "MY God is real but ALL the other gods are fairy tales made by humans" is more hypocritical than saying "It's all just fairy tales".
If believing in something means you exclude any other option as unthinkable, that means it's stupid - there is option god is not even plausible, but theists don't even wanna take that into consideration, and that not only makes them stupid, but also intolerant towards other options and in real world very dangerous, and therefore you shouldnt be allowed to be nearsighted and dangeroud, I believe gervais meant that, not that I am defending him, he is an idiot
Belief in God doesn't make one dangerous. Belief that those who do not believe in my god should be killed does. Fanaticism and zealotry are the dark side to the charity and compassion that religion inspire.
I don't hate"men of faith" as well. I'm just saying... what gervais is saying. Your option is just an option! You must accept a fact that it simply could be unreal. Like trustnthnmulder guy does. I say there definitely could be god but I also say there is an option there's not a chance of god. Which ever is the truth I don't care. Believers exclude both options. There's only one option for them. And that's pretty much fanatic enough for me. If someone"attacks" first by saying there's no both options isn't he disrespecting me?
Not really. It all depends on how he approaches the situation. If you ask me, anyone who honestly believes that there is an afterlife, and that the only way to avoid eternal torture is to believe in a certain way, and then they don't proselytize, that's kind of a dick move.
No, I meant option. We may, theoretically, live in universe in which there is god, or in one where it's not even plausible. Not both. Because we cannot prove neither, we choose one of the options. @chakun, point is I say in altogether unmeasurable everithingness, there MUST be both options( essentialy ALL the options) but not at the same time (in our "current" universe). Since we cannot know for sure, or prove neither, I, trustnthnmulder guy, say I'm not sure which one is it. It could be any of those. Religious people don't even wanna talk about could it be other option. That's fanaticism.
And @chakun, We DO live in a world we couldn't believe will ever come to be. Ten years ago or so... Ten years ago I couldn't dream that a buddhist monk, one of the most peacefull religion, that shouldn't care about stuff, would call for burning muslims alive in indochina, because their beliefs don't coincide. He is a preacher, that means he preaches. Everyone with access to public preaching of whatever, even us here, should carefully choose words, let alone heads of religion,which btw shouldn't care of sucha things cause it's dealing in absolutes And it's peacefull. He as a preacher should know that. What's left to his"flock", what's left to more unpeacefull religions? And fanatics.
Personally I, a religious believer, do not believe there are only two options. I believe in both God and science. I believe every religion has merit. Reasoning? There is no way to prove any of those possibilities false. Just like we can't prove anything right, we can't prove it wrong either. And people of all religions claim to have personal evidence of their beliefs so who are we to say it's not "real"?
So no, there are not only two options and you can't speak for all religious people
You are repeating what I say @jmvail except you missunderstand. I'm not talking about believing in god OR science. I'm telling you "In timeless everythingness of "being"(a philosophical term) everything already happened. Every scenario. Imaginable or unimaginable. There are parts of that everythingness,arguable if we should call them universes, cause they could last less than a second and disappear and consisting of only single one "monade", parts of everythingness inside the nothingness where god COULD NOT HAPPEN. NEVER. And not being able to tell them apart, it might as well be This one we're now in. But not being able to tell them apart means it also could be the one with god (we can't prove or disprove).That's why I, smart guy, say Socratic "I know nothing", could be either (but not both) I don't care, and you... say.. whatever you say."
And even if you don't believe in religion, so what? This guy is taking advantage of his position as a celebrity to basically be a bully.
I fully agree with the "so what" part. Yet there are many places around the world, even in the western world (*coughs* Texas *coughs*) where there is an obvious bias against non-believers (specifically non-Christians in this case). Did you know it's still written in some states' law books that atheists can't run for office? Of course it's not valid because federal laws state otherwise but the fact that this stuff is still in those books is concerning. Not to mention the punishment for atheism is beheading in Saudi Arabia. Personally I am 100% "so what" on the issue of religion as long as people don't try to force it upon others. And forcing atheism upon others is just as wrong imo. Nothing wrong with having a discussion about religion/atheism though.
And even then, what's wrong with disagreeing with (some parts of) religion? As long as you keep it a civil debate, there is no issue.
Who am I like in belief thingy
I don't believe in THE God(s) like they usually say
But I believe there is something that's big and powerful and knows a lot of craps that human can never understand
But I think whatever that is, it doesn't give a single shit about us or the world or anything
It doesn't care if we are ill, or we are fighting on its name, and that we are destroying our only home
It just watches and waits for us to end our ''we are the highest in the food chains'' nonsense so it can make new thing
I still pray some thing tho, to that thing
I'm pretty sure there is something
Cause the idea of the whole multi universes all going without actually control is very terrifying
So no, there are not only two options and you can't speak for all religious people