Look at the US in the 60's. We were working toward equality and scientific advancement was celebrated. It's what got us to the Moon.
We were still very much a Capitalist Republic then.
That's the mistake with communism. Equality of opportunity. Not of living conditions. Living conditions equality we would think would be noce, but no. Goverment makes you poor. What equality from a good funtional goverment means is equality of opportunities for all.
@smitty I'm sorry your parents and teachers have educated you so poorly. We absolutely were not working toward equality from a governmental perspective.
And no, equality did not land us on the moon.
Oh, and one more inconvenient truth: it's precisely the liberal meddling in social issues which the government has no business in which has caused the societal decay we have seen for the last 50 years.
@itsamemaria gets it. "Equality" can only be assured in opportunity. It is impossible to create equality of outcomes.
So tell me how the civil rights and women's rights movement of the time didn't effect and force equality from the government?
Equality didn't land us on the Moon? Explain then the Black Women mathematicians who worked at NASA and performed the orbital dynamics and reentry calculations who were trusted more than them "new fangled" computers."
You're also putting words in my mouth. I never once said a goddamned thing about "equality of result," yet you resort to an ad hominem attack on me and my upbringing, over something I didn't say.
That wasn't an attack on you. That thinking is another result of your upbringing. I am simply assuming that your thinking is a result of your education.
I am further assuming, based upon your comments, that you are an American. If you had had a proper elementary school education into the founding of this great nation you would understand that what you advocate is not the place of our government to become involved in.
Yes our government did finally sign a few "civil rights" legislations, but the civil rights movements did not originate, nor should they have, in Washington. My simple point here is that this is not what out government is designed to do, and when they try such overreach they only fuck it up.
Furthermore, your "black women mathematicians" did not land us on the moon. Americans with a can-do attitude did. The skin color, sex, age, heritage, astrological sign, nor any other superficial denominator of the people involved had any effect or bearing upon their efforts.
To be clear I was correcting guess who. The post did not sound loke socialism. We can't confuse equiality of opportunity with socialism or evn worse communism. Guesswho got what I wanted to say but it sounded to me you took the equality of the original post out of context. But most people do.
@itsamemaria I understood what you were saying, yes. And I wasn't meaning to argue that the post is espousing socialism; I was drawing the sentiment of "equality by legislation" out to its inevitable conclusion. Whenever a government can force its people to behave in a certain way --any certain way-- things just don't tend to end well.
And I agree with you. But the post doesn't say anything about that (force people behavr in a certain way) Maybe you assumed that's what people would conclude? (Socialism/ equality)
No I didn't assume anyone would conclude it, mainly because today socialism is taught as a good thing (of course they don't call it socialism because it still sounds bad). As I said, I was simply drawing the idea out to its conclusion. "Equality" (of opportunity, not outcome) is all well and good, and something we certainly should have striven for in the civil rights era and should continue to uphold. However, when we stop relying upon ourselves to change our world, and allow or even demand our government to force social issues upon us, we have no rights any longer. I just wish more Americans could understand that allowing Washington more and more power leads nowhere but tyranny.
I see "red flags" popping up like crazy whenever someone advocates for government involvement in areas our government was never designed to handle. I realize I'm in the minority here.
No you're not. But like I said. THis post seems very logical and fair. Who doesn't want equality (of opportunity) and tech advancement from a country? In this particular case just seemed to me you jumped too fast
That's a socialist pipe dream.
We were still very much a Capitalist Republic then.
And no, equality did not land us on the moon.
Oh, and one more inconvenient truth: it's precisely the liberal meddling in social issues which the government has no business in which has caused the societal decay we have seen for the last 50 years.
@itsamemaria gets it. "Equality" can only be assured in opportunity. It is impossible to create equality of outcomes.
Equality didn't land us on the Moon? Explain then the Black Women mathematicians who worked at NASA and performed the orbital dynamics and reentry calculations who were trusted more than them "new fangled" computers."
You're also putting words in my mouth. I never once said a goddamned thing about "equality of result," yet you resort to an ad hominem attack on me and my upbringing, over something I didn't say.
I am further assuming, based upon your comments, that you are an American. If you had had a proper elementary school education into the founding of this great nation you would understand that what you advocate is not the place of our government to become involved in.
Yes our government did finally sign a few "civil rights" legislations, but the civil rights movements did not originate, nor should they have, in Washington. My simple point here is that this is not what out government is designed to do, and when they try such overreach they only fuck it up.
Damn commies! Lol