America's Very First Serial Killer

America would still be America even if it wasn't called America at the time.

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So then it would be some native or probably some animal

Exactly what I’m trying to say, no idea why people have to downvote me

Probably not. They had a pretty good culture until the Europeans once again fucked everything up.

Not really. Native Americans were conquering tribes just like how Europeans were fighting their neighboring countries. The only big difference is that Europeans were a lot more advanced than the Natives.

The Natives were far from peaceful and innocent, but at least they didn't nearly wipe out an entire race

That’s because they didn’t have the tools to. The reason the Europeans were able to kill so many Natives was because they had steel weapons, ships to send troops, guns, and the conquistadors even sometimes had metal armor.

That is not correct. Yes, the Americans had fights and wars, like anyone else, but they did not attempt to eradicate entirely different cultures simply for existing. The natives didn't really think any less of people for being different than them, and their entire say of life was superior to that of the Europeans in virtually every respect except warfare. And history was written by the victors. Let's not forget that for the most part, the Americans tried to be friendly with the Europeans, and the Europeans just wanted to take over because they felt the natives deserved nothing for not being like them.

Well technically different tribes were different cultures to them, and they very much did eradicate them. Entire tribes were wiped out before any white man set foot in the Americas. Some tribes were peaceful, some were not, we can't say anything about the motives of tribes killing other tribes, whether it was for resources, territory disputes, or if they just didn't like each other. The native Americans were never purposely nearly eradicated, there was no "eradicate the natives because they're different" initiative. Did Europeans kill many natives, yes, but disease killed more natives than any European ever did. The Europeans didn't attempt to eradicate the natives, it was unintentional, in some areas nearly 90% of natives were killed by disease. That doesn't sound like Europeans intentionally exterminating a culture simply for existing, the death toll of natives was much more unintentional than you think.

Lol. How about trying to wipe them out by giving them smallpox infected blankets? Yes, that actually happened. I mean, I guess you could say that it didn't matter because they already had it anyway. What do you call the Europeans denouncing the Americans for such "uncivilized savagery" as sharing resources, disinterest in wealth, and not following a religion extolling those very same values? And trying to remove all trace of them from their society. What do you call the us president actively defying a Supreme Court descision to force out a group of Americans, all perfectly following white laws and customs, simply to make room for whites? You are correct that we cannot do much speculation into the natives pre-contact motives. Yet you don't seem to know what this means. It means you can't say ANYTHING without reason. The recorded interactions between the Americans and the Europeans show no trace of this, just the opposite in fact.

The Americans only became hostile in response to the Europeans, who, once they'd conquered all they needed for themselves, did everything they could rationalize a justification for to remove all traces of Americans from their world.

The actions of some do not equal the actions of all. The Europeans did not come to the Americas with the intention of killing the natives, though some Europeans did, especially knowing the natives would get in their way of what they wanted in the Americas. As for the smallpox blankets it has been debunked that smallpox was not used as a weaponized disease by the use of blankets, the only reference to this is a letter that was taken out of context. Their is known accounts of syphilis being used as a weaponized disease, but it didn't go over well considering its an STD and had to be transferred as such. But europeans trying to use any sort of weaponized disease wouldn't matter, the diseases were a weapon the second Europeans set foot in America. I agree that the europeans did kill countless natives, and continued, and still continue, to try and remove natives from the picture. Even today legislation continues to screw over native Americans.

But to say natives never wiped out other cultures and that all Europeans came to America with the intent to exterminate just isn't true. The massive death toll was due to disease, and disease that was transferred unintentionally. There were definitely some asshole Europeans that wanted genocide, but without natives being more susceptible, the Europeans wouldn't have even had a chance at trying to exterminate all natives.

Once again, IT IS NOT FUCKING OK TO SAY THAT ITS ALL GOOD SINCE DISEASE KILLED EVERYONE BEFORE THE EUROPEANS COULD. You can't just fucking dismiss attempts to commit genocide just because they didn't work. Of course the europeans didn't come to exterminate Americans, at first they didn't even know they existed. They just came to spread their parasitic culture and as soon as they encountered another, they became hellbent on destroying it. The Europeans, upon encountering another culture wanted to destroy it and replace it with their own. The Americans were by and large, perfectly happy to let everyone do their own thing utility they finally realized what the Europeans were up to, by which time it was far too late.

No they didn’t. They came to colonize. Their priority wasn’t to destroy Natives. It was to further their own gains through gold, glory as an explorer , or spreading the word of God. Europeans weren’t hellbent on destroying Native cultures. People don’t go out of their way to destroy others, they only try to further themselves.

Nope. That's just the lie they kept telling as they did it. They always claimed to be trying to "civilize" the natives, but nothing was ever good enough. Unless they were real Europeans, they had to go. Either through extermination or removal(with extermination of the culture.) look up allotment, reservations and how the us government honored its treaties. Hell, look up how it got those treaties.

You're the one telling lies to yourself, third. That you honestly believe every european man, woman, and child wanted to exterminate the natives has to be the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Just as frostbite said, the europeans were trying to further themselves, and they did kill natives who get in the way of that. No one is justifying genocide, because the fact is genocide's very definition emphasizes the word "intentional". Nearly 90% of natives were killed by disease and Its been dubunked that diseases were not weaponized to kill natives. Meaning nearly 90% of the death toll was unintentional. There were handfuls of militant europeans that did want genocide for the natives, that wanted to intentionally exterminate them, but a few men wanting to exterminate natives definitely does not equal ALL europeans marching on ALL natives to wipe them out. Most europeans didn't care about the natives being there, as long as they didn't get in there way of colonization.

As for the legislation set in place as far as allotments and reservations, you can blame that on racism in legislation, not Europeans trying to destroy a culture. Racism that still exsist today. But as we see even today, legislation doesn't always equal the views of the people, just because there were racist asshole lawmakers that decided this for the natives ,does not mean every single european agreed with this, had a say in it, or wanted to exterminate and destroy native culture.

Not once did I use the phrase "every European" I am speaking in generalizations. However, yes, MOST of the Europeans wanted to destroy American culture, even though doubtless, many did not perceive it as such. This was due to their indoctrination with a culture that prevented them from ever realizing that something else might be better. And it feuled the ones who DID know what they were doing.

Yeah, not even MOST europeans wanted to destroy native culture, that's ridiculous. Most europeans didn't care about the natives, they went to America to pursue wealth and further themselves, that didn't change when they met the natives. As long as natives didn't get in their way, they were not a problem. There were some europeans that made it a point that they didn't like the natives, many of which went on into lawmaking in order to purposely harm and hinder the natives through legislation. These laws and militant actions taken by a few racist europeans are why it seems all europeans hated the natives, when in reality they were indifferent to them. Most europeans didn't care about the natives, they were in America to better their own lives and any attempts at "destroying the natives culture" took away time and resources they could use to further their own gains, it was easier to ignore them, and that's what most europeans did.

And you forget the fact that, to them, simply existing in a perceivable manner was "getting in the way" go take a fucking history class.

No it wasn't, as I said over and over again, they were there to further themselves and going out of their way to harm natives was a waste of time and resources, the natives weren't a problem and were mostly ignored. It's you who needs a history lesson, you're the one stating myths from missinformed middle school lessons, and perhaps a lesson in learning in general may help you because you seem to think you know it all. Your close minded view has made you turn a blind eye to the actual facts, you just want to believe that the europeans were all bad because you want to blame someone. There were some malicious Europeans, and you should blame them for what was done to the natives, but the common european people that came to colonize America were no more malicious than you and me. "Europeans wanted to destroy native culture" that's like saying the actions of the KKK represents the views of all of America, the actions of a handful of Europeans do not represent the majority.

If you want someone to blame for the actions taken against natives, and the actions that are still taken today, blame those that have carried out those actions. You don't blame the actions of a handful of racist assholes on the entirety of a population, but if you want to live in your ignorance, be my guest.