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That's fucked up.

Was it for identification purposes or was the demeaner racist ? I'm only asking because the cop could be aware or familiar of the guy that was hopefully "resting".

Well I would think the first question should have been "where?" And maybe dig more after that.

I agree, but it's possible that the cop is in the are and deals with the same people regularly. You may have two white guys and a black guy that get wasted nightly and she is use to it. If the cop was racist then , she should be fired .

Could be. But still she didn't look to enthusiastic to help anyway. It is close to a "bad" neighborhood where maybe somenpeople do live in the street, but also a lot of bars full of college kids in the area so I believe that question would not have helped at all.

Maybe a shit cop. Possibly, the cop needs training or a break. Do some desk work for a few months or something in a different area. There should be better rotation for cops in the worst areas to prevent burnout. I don't think that racism can be trained out though.

Used to be that way.

I don’t even have the energy right now to get in to all the levels that are flawed here. Let me for now just say this: Firstly- 57% of rapes are committed by whites, 2/3 of jailed pedophiles and other sex offenders are white. 52.xx% of serial killers are white, and even if we classify school shootings and terrorism in different fields- guess what racial group tops both lists by wide margins? Let’s not even get in to statistics on white collar crime. Yet somehow I doubt there is as much support for treating all whites as pedophile terrorists until proven otherwise. Yes- you can point out that in proportion to population percentage the black community has a higher instance of CONVICTED criminals- but then we get in to the question we must ask whenever one group of data is far out of alignment with others: why? If we see the why we can see that while there is arguably a coronation, there is not necessarily causation.

Let me frame it another way that may resonate more with the general crowd: If 99.99% of mass shooters own guns- in your mind is that a reasonable argument that all gun owners should be grate as suspected mass shooters by society and the government?

Hey uhh... I wasn't agreeing with trashman, but I feel his viewpoint may be more nuanced than that?

So a big problem with your logic is that white people are committing proportional rates of crimes to the population. White people are 62 percent of the entire population in the U.S. so obviously they would be responsible for a higher percentage of crimes. What is concerning though is how much that changes for the black community which at 13-14% is committing nearly identical numbers to a population size 4 times as big. So there would be a greater chance of a black man committing a crime statistically than a white man. This also does not include the fact that the majority of slum areas or crime infested areas are populated by a majority of African american's whereas suburbs and nicer neighborhoods commit way less crimes and are populated by more white people. I fail to see how it is bad for police officers to suspect people for being black when they are at a higher chance of committing crimes as compared to white people.

Nah. No shade directed at you or trashman. It’s unpopular to say but humans quickly classify things and people around us for survival and speed of reaction. As you say it is more nuanced- and as trashman wisely asks: where do we draw the line as some form of generalization is an imperative in certain situations. Mostly directed at the guest. If we look at the prison population and add a few filters we will see that things like age, background, where one lives, and socio economic status are better indicators of who is most likely to commit a certain crime than melanin, still not perfect though. As to the oft quoted disproportion in population to criminals- fruit comes from
Fruit trees, fruit trees come from seeds, but if you assume an apple seed is an apple; and if you assume any seed is a fruit tree seed, bad news... Thought is the key component. When able we must think. More Americans are in prison than any other nationality in the world- are most people you know prisoners?

Well im not just saying its skin color but it is by chance that majority of blacks like i quoted are in a much poorer state of living which comes from the fact that they grow up in ghettos and slums where criminals and their activities are romanticized. Every criminal to them is like a scar face and a way to achieve power they arent taught the legal ways of achieving power which is usually doing good in school or at least finishing and going up in business and reading books and continuing to learn info. Instead they numb their brains with drugs and think walking around with pistols is the key to power. This is a cultural thing which is why you see asian and white children flourishing in business and capitalistic society. They are taught a different set of morals and are expected and pushed to achieve more than black children. This is also why i think it is ok for police officers to be suspicious not accuse them but to more often suspect them then not. High incarceration i think is due

to people having more rights than most and a competent government to contain them. A lot of 3rd world countries have more criminals but cant contain them and most of europe cant contain all of them or just doesnt have as many opportunities for people to commit crimes. People in england have less rights and less people have less space to commit crimes in my opinion.

I’d like to start by saying that the reply I posted was posted in response to famousone. I’m running around so I had to peck at it and it took me so long you wrote your reply before I could post that, hence mine comes after yours in the chat even though I wrote it before I read yours. With that out of the way- I’m still running around and so while I haven’t gotten a chance to properly read what you wrote yet, as soon as able I will do so and reply.

chicken-head >_>

anyway... the question is: do the statistics reinforce themselves? If so, that's systematic racism (I've lived long enough in Texas to KNOW they do).

What a day. Ugh. @trashmanrevenge- it’s an important distinction. The culture you describe is not solely the property of black Americans. If you look through time, around the world, or at many races you’ll see these sane arguments applied to Hispanics and Latinos, Asians, Irish, Italians, and so on. A culture of poverty and the often corresponding use of crime as a way to better ones situation is a universal tale independent of race. In basically every single state where enough data exists to make a percentage, the rate of poverty in self identified African Americans is at least double to whites- in states like Maine it is 8x as high. So why is the poverty rate so much higher, and could there be a likely correlation? That’s aid though- only about 14% of Americans live below the poverty line. Of course that’s the government defined poverty line and not simply being “poor” and only based on census data so is not a complete picture.

I don't mean any offense here. I'm going to ask a question of what color the person that called on the officer is ? Is it still a valid point if it was a black man or woman ? Dose that matter ? I am asking to get a honest input , for perspective. By the way , hi Guest, sorry about your day.

Out of the two statistics I think it’s plainly clear that being black is not the primary factor in your risk to be a criminal. You don’t see many wealthy doctors or executives of any race being arrested for street crime. Hypothetically- if we found that most robberies were committed by guys in striped socks, or that most drug dealers drove Chevy vehicles- while possibly worth consideration- alone it would not indicate anything. My main point is that when we phrase the dialog as: “it’s statistically likely you are harming other people” we miss the point. If we want to approach the issue from the angle that being black correlates to risk of crime the important factor to discuss is the thing that can be changed- the conditions which are either unique to black Americans, or those shared conditions which correlate to higher crime rates among all populations. The fact black peoples are at higher incidence of being subject to those conditions is a different discussion and changes the context

@popsy- hi popsy. Thank you. It’s been eventful. In my opinion? It doesn’t particularly matter what the caller was- but it depends on context of discussion. As far as relating his experience of being black in America it’s simply part of the experience regardless. Either way by his account at least that one person felt the likeliest reason a black man would be in a police uniform was he was imitating a cop. In general though one can be racist or have racial bias or stereotypes against their own race. In fact if ou are the victim of crime it is statistically most likely the perpetrator will be the same race as you. The people we spend the most time around have the highest odds of effecting our lives good or bad, and many people live or primarily spend time around people of the same or similar “race” as them- so it makes sense. That’s my take on it anyway. A persons race, ethnicity, or background can often give inshoght to why they may feel a certain way, but that's all the weight it has

Thanks Guest. I grew up in a Detroit suburb and I still learn and believe that the situation is fluid. Detroit is slowly improving while Flint is still deteriorating. Chicago ,St.Luis ect . I always felt that crime is more closely influenced by poverty, rather than race.