I can’t agree with whoever DV’d this without even saying why, but I also can’t agree with your logic. The argument that “Toxic masculinity” was a big part of what fought an won the freedom to say things is some what weak when we consider that toxic masculinity is a big part of why there wasn’t that freedom to begin with. Also consider how many of those battles were fought against mostly men, with male leaders, and how many were about women’s rights and not survival or a larger goal? For women to start to really reach the level of freedom men were already enjoying, most of the men in the western world needed to leave the country. That says something. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying war or oppression are male traits, women haven’t really had a chance to show that they’d run the world better, worse, or the same since men have held most of the power in history. I’m saying that it’s not ironic when men save women from men because the men were going to battle anyway.
I’m saying women’s rights were a happy coincidence and not a primary consideration of most every “fight for freedom.” Traditionally such fights have been to try and keep the freedoms we have, not to expand the freedoms of the oppressed classes within our borders. WWII was not fought to give blacks equal rights to whites, or women to men. Neither was Vietnam, Korea, Iraq 1/2, Afghanistan, or the Cold War. So no. Not irony. Coincidence.
“These bitches be crazy.” (“A normal and good woman shouldn’t be offended, a bitch is....”)
There are a lot of people who wouldn’t appreciate that regardless, but it would likely be received worse if you flat out said “women” instead of bitches. While it’s understood they are likely using hyperbole when someone says something like this, hate isn’t a good thing, and saying it’s just “casual conversation” doesn’t make it better because that means we have normalized hate. Tearing down others doesn’t lift us up, and being unable to differentiate between bad behavior and bad people is a cornerstone of prejudice. Someone eventually has to “be better” otherwise there’s no point in bringing up how “bad” someone is because you are meeting oppression and hate with the same in kind. When everyone is being a bad person it’s no longer about “right” and “wrong” but about bad people fighting to oppress Aeschylus other for their own benefit. Make things equally good not equally bad.
Maybe it only works one way bc calling men trash only hurts their feelings and brings awareness to toxic things MEN have been getting away with for the dawn of time. And the toxic masculinity that was said to have given people freedom is wrong as hell women wanted the right to vote and fought against toxic males to make it happen and don’t get me started on slavery. Staying you hate minority’s as a comparison is ignorant. People who are minority’s here came for safety and a better life (or forced on a boat) and the reason a got portion of these people have flee or have fleed is bc America fucked there county so how
While I largely agree with your ideas, I do have to take some umbrage at the parting line. It’s reductionist to say “because America fucked their country..” America has done many things. Many of them very bad, but America also gets to be the poster child of the fallout to complex international events where many hold blame. It isn’t even that I feel the need to defend America’s reputation, but that when we do this, we reduce or eliminate the culpability of others allowing them to continue to operate in the shadow of this evil entity we create to hang all wrong on. Other than that I’m more or less right with you. The comparison is weak on many levels, and both minorities AND women have had to fight for their rights through most of history. The feeedom of the American dream is meant to eliminate this, not perpetuate it. Many only fought for the American dream long enough for themselves to reap the benifits and then retired before the equality part was done.
There are a lot of people who wouldn’t appreciate that regardless, but it would likely be received worse if you flat out said “women” instead of bitches. While it’s understood they are likely using hyperbole when someone says something like this, hate isn’t a good thing, and saying it’s just “casual conversation” doesn’t make it better because that means we have normalized hate. Tearing down others doesn’t lift us up, and being unable to differentiate between bad behavior and bad people is a cornerstone of prejudice. Someone eventually has to “be better” otherwise there’s no point in bringing up how “bad” someone is because you are meeting oppression and hate with the same in kind. When everyone is being a bad person it’s no longer about “right” and “wrong” but about bad people fighting to oppress Aeschylus other for their own benefit. Make things equally good not equally bad.