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I'd rather take arms and make sure people aren't massacred because they wanted to be a " noble victim "

Dude. How many years have you been reading my comments? Do you not realize I was sarcastically mocking the disarmist alarmists?

Yeah, I live in Texas--effectively the firearm capital of the US--and you want to know how many friends and family I've had die from the misuse of firearms over the course of my life? Zero. How many have I had killed in an automobile accident, specifically ones where they were 100% not at fault due to road rage, someone running a red light, or a drunk driver hit them? Six. Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44... so why have we not banned cars yet? They seem to do a lot more damage but I guess if something is shiny and comes with AM/FM radio it's harder to blame for society's problems.

This is a really tired argument but I’m not doing anything... because cars have utility beyond killing. So do knives, baseball bats, machetes, trains, and swimming pools. All of these can kill you. Guns are the only machine we manufacture that is legal to own that has no realistic utility outside of killing.
Anyway, comparing gun deaths to road deaths is not valid. If you want to compare gun murders to vehiclular murders then go right ahead.

Nevermind. I looked it up for you.
Yearly murders (approximated)
Guns: 11,000
Vehicles: 300

U.S. vehicle deaths topped 40,000 in 2017, National Safety Council estimates. U.S. vehicle deaths barely declined in 2017 but remained notably higher than in 2015, according to a new report. The National Safety Council estimated automotive fatalities topped 40,000 for the second consecutive year. Cited by USA Today and the national security council. 15,549 people were killed by guns in the United States in 2017, according to data collected by Gun Violence Archive (GVA), a nonprofit organization that tracks media and law enforcement reports of shootings. Cited by the GVA and National Safety Council. Your numbers are way off.

Additionally, firearms aren't meant for 'just killing' and that's extremely narrow minded. Protection and self-defense means the defiance of violence.

I respect your right to believe whatever you want to believe, but I find it hard to believe you're someone whose ever been in a life and death situation. I have been many times and in an ideal world no one would be evil or wish to do others harm. Fact is that it's not a utopia, people will always try to kill or harm other people, and I would rather not be a victim.

Specifically vehicular manslaughter in the US for 2017, 17,885 murders. Cited by the National Vital Statistics Bureau, United States.

I’m afraid you’re the one with some odd numbers. There are around 17k homicides a year total in the US. Also manslaughter is not homicide.
You can quote 40,000 motor vehicle deaths but the number isn’t related to the gun debate because accidents and violence aren’t the same thing.
Name one function a gun can perform that has any purpose beyond wounding or killing a living being. Doorstop and paperweight don’t count.

I've already made several points and cited all of my data.

Care to make any that pertain to the gun control debate?

I've made several, if you're picking and choosing what you want to interpret and how that's on you.

The points you have made are that there are a lot more accidental car deaths than there are gun murders which are unrelated. Not to mention you seem to be using global numbers on that instead of US.
You also claimed that car manslaughter makes up 100% of the US homocide rate which is neither logically or factually sound.
Additionally you said that claiming guns were just for killing people is narrow minded but haven’t provided any other use for them.
I don’t think I cherry picked. What did I leave out?

I claimed neither of those things. I cited statistics about violent use of force with firearms versus violence with motor vehicles. I strongly recommend you go back and read my comments.

“U.S. vehicle deaths topped 40,000”
“Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled.”
Those are your statistics and they are about deaths, not violence. Accidents are not the same thing.
“Specifically vehicular manslaughter in the US for 2017, 17,885 murders”
Here you are claiming that all the murders are vehicular manslaughter. Manslaughter is defined as “the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.” Even if all 40,000 deaths were manslaughter that equals 0 murders.

And, since the conversation started on the topic, you are again invited to enlighten us libtards as to the utility of guns beyond wounding and killing living things.

I will take your silence and the sudden downvotes of my comments as surrender. Man, I miss @famousone. He could at least produce a respectable argument.

I haven't downvoted you at all, likely someone else. I also never called anyone a 'libtard'.

My 'silence' was partially due to me having to make a bottle for my newborn daughter. Mostly its because you're arguing on hypothetical points I never made. I never stated all murders are vehicular manslaughter, and for the record manslaughter is a legal term for criminal homicide. You're slicing up my citations and interpreting them in ways that dont make sense, you're also becoming very emotional and borderline rude. This isn't a discussion it's you venting.

So yeah, I'm done trying to have a rational conversation for someone whose trying to drag it into the mud.

I'm also extremely liberal so I'm not sure where your 'libtard' comment is coming from.

Best of luck to you.

Isn’t @Famousone in basic training?

Yes, I just checked his profile. His last comment was 9 weeks ago so he has 1-5 weeks left from what I can tell.

@johnnyjohnny Nice deflections. I cited your comments with as much context as I could without copying them in their entirety. I defined manslaughter verbatim from the dictionary. I’m not emotional, just refuting your claims one by one and giving you the opportunity for rebuttal.

I have returned!

Outstanding.