Yes, I was about to say! I see this post a lot and it's like No, they were the good looking ones because that was the standard at the time. Like models now would have been way too skinny at that standard
Yeah health-wise models are still way too skinny. Like gurl, these ladies would thrive in Auschwitz. Not to mention models nowadays often have very masculine features which would definitely not be considered good looking back then.
Like, what's up with the modelling industry promoting models that look like mid-transitioning trans women? I mean, I'm 100% supportive of trans people but why is the industry that is supposedly the highest standard of feminine beauty only hiring women who have no tits, no ass and manly faces, what is up with that?
@rosalinas but the point is they are attractive by todays modeling standards. Back in the day ("fat") marilyn monroe would have made the clothes look better
Guest: "Like gurl, these ladies would thrive in Auschwit"
Lol!
@rosalinas but they're not though, that's my point. At least not to me personally, and to many men they're unattractive as well, the guys I've spoken to say they'd rather be with a curvy girl than a Walking Dead extra. They have so much makeup and Photoshop put on them to make them look more attractive (such a photoshopping out their clearly visible bones because they're so thin) but in reality you'd find more attractive people on the subway. Maybe the masculine features make them attractive to women, which would make sense marketing-wise. But I still can't support the fact that mainstream models are forced to be malnourished. It's not good to tell society that it's beautiful to starve. That's how eating disorders start.
Obviously to many people, they are attractive
I always find skinny people more appealing, they look more elegant and better in clothes or literally anything.
If someone develops eating disorders bc they want to look skinny, it's their fault, don't blame it on "the society"
@rosalinas yes you found them attractive and that is how life works. Different tastes. But the fact that the majority does too could be taste or could be that we are conditioned to think that. I mean beauty right now is different for different tribes. It is not really universal. So you might really like them, or you might have just grown up to believe that
@itsamemaria exactly, many people think that skinny = attractive (although as I said in my previous comment, lots of guys prefer curves) because we've kinda been conditioned to do that. Today's ideal is skinny and tan but during the Victorian era, it was sexy to be pale and fat. Which is why I just can't accept arguments like rosalina's, that they personally find it hot so no issue there. Yes there is an issue, and @rosalinas when the only way how to conform to an ideal is to eat less than 1000 calories a day, you bet I'll blame those ideals when naive impressionable kids develop eating disorders. In my opinion we should promote healthy people as the most attractive, which we now have the tools for measuring (BMI, body fat, cholesterol etc.). My problem with the modelling industry isn't that they generally prefer skinny people. It's true that the less fat you have, the better most clothes look on you. My problem is that they prefer people so skinny it's damaging to their health.
It a not that difficult to consume less unhealthy food. If you keep shoving your face in McDonald's and KFC, ofc you gonna be a fat fuck
It's an industry that runs on pretty people. They couldn't be careless about the health of their employees, I wouldnt if I were they. It's business, money is the point. There are millions of people wanting to be models, fire a few for gaining weight would hardly make a difference.
And they are not THAT skinny
VS models would be the top standards of models I would say, and they are slim but nothing close with starving. People are only annoyed cause they personally can't look that good.
Welk I do respect Rosalinas saying (assuming she) finds them attractive. Because some people might. Like I said it is also something that has been imposed to our generation. And some people are naturally skinny and naturally look like VS models. But I do agree that many starve thmselves to look like that and that is an issue. For many is not as easy as just eating healthy. Honestly I do eat healthy and exercise regularly and I would never look like that unless I eat less than what I currently need and exercise at least 2 hrs a day. And that makes me insecure. Eventhough I am well aware I am a pale curvy person that would have been "idolized" in a different time...
Oh wow. Saying that I'm a fat fuck who shoves their face with KFC every day just because I disagree with what the modelling industry does. Classy move there, rosalinas, real classy. Just FYI my BMI is 22 so perfectly healthy and I live quite a healthy lifestyle, walk wherever I can, keep my daily calorie limit to 1500-1600, work out for 2-3 hours a week.
As I said before, their bones are photoshopped out so you can't really tell how skinny they are. So it's easy for the ignorant eye to get fooled. But recently some online stores where I shop for clothes started disclosing the models' height and size. (I'm gonna be talking in European sizes so sorry for the confusion.) And they always write something like "The model is 180cm tall and wears a size 32" (or sometimes 34 but that's like the upper limit here). For reference, I'm 178cm tall and I wear a size 42. And as I said my weight is healthy. So wearing 5 sizes down with the same height is fucking mental. So yes, they are THAT skinny.
LOL you don't even have to bother rosalinas ran away when she felt the evidence was pretty clearly leaning against her. It's easier to shut your eyes than confront your beliefs.
Hi Rosalinas. Like I said everyonr has a different taste/ likes... but question. Like mentioned some people girls specially starve themselves to look like that. Would you be attracted by that? Because I'm assuming you would like a person whonis naturally like that
i prefer people on the thinner side. Always. but saying i can ONLY be attracted to thin people is ridiculous (and i've had crush on many people that are on the chubbier side, cause there are more than look you know)
whoever starve themselves to be skinner is stupid and i dont like stupid people
i like myself being skinny but as the doctor say it'd be better if i gain about 3 or 4 kg more, im working on that. but you dont see me having Mc Donald and Pizzahut every damn meal and laying in bed all the damn time do ya?
if you want to be skinner, eat less fatty food, less sugar, more vegetables and lots of exercises.
Well some of the comments you posted above made it seem like you only like skinny people and anyone who is not model skinny is because eats fast food. I understand there is more to it like you are writing now, but I think the way things were witten before lead guest to think wrongly about you
Rosalinas, my assumptions were based on your comments. You can't just come out now saying "I actually think it's more nuanced but it's your fault for responding to the stuff I wrote instead of the stuff I meant" and top it all off with some smug "well you don't matter anyway, ha ha what a clever comeback". But anyway.
1) "whoever starve themselves to be skinner is stupid and i dont like stupid people" So the majority of models are stupid? There were some articles posted in the thread earlier, maybe you could address them? I thought they were interesting and insightful.
2) "if you want to be skinner, eat less fatty food, less sugar, more vegetables and lots of exercises" Doesn't always work like that, some people have a naturally slow metabolism. And even then, I've tried to lose weight before and found out that dieting actually slows it down even more. So what actually works for me is to watch my calorie intake and pig out once a week to keep my metabolism from slowing to a crawl.
As I said before, my problem with the modelling industry isn't its preference of skinny people. My problem is its preference of unhealthily skinny people. And so far you've just replied to that with a) "well I find them attractive so no issue there", b) calling me and everybody who doesn't conform to these ridiculous standards a fat fuck, and c) ignoring me and telling me I don't matter. Which I don't find to be a very effective discussion strategy. So please, would you address that? Do you really see no issue with most models having a BMI of 16?
Am I supposed to feel sorry for you? Cause I don't and I'm not sorry for it
And no, I see no issue in that. They get and stay in the modelling industry by their very own choices, so it's on them.
If they can't take it, they shouldn't have entered it in the first place.
I alwaus look down on people who see themselves as a victim when we all have choices.
Not really I'm just saying your debating skills could use some (*coughs* a lot of) work. I don't feel offended that your go-to "argument" is an ad hominem. I'm rather ridiculing that fact.
Ah, the classic "don't like it don't work there" argument. I'm sure they said the same to phosphorus jaw victims back in the day. You know, before regulations we're introduced. Just like they are being introduced in some countries, which you'd know if you read the posted articles. But I'm guessing you don't care enough.
I think many models don't realize they're living a bad lifestyle until it comes back to bite them in the arse when the health problems come up. Sometimes not even then. They've been brainwashed, just like many other people, into thinking that the thinner you are, the more attractive you are. I mean, there are stories of anorexic girls with BMI 15 wanting to be even thinner because that's what society told them is beautiful and they've internalized it to an extreme extent. It's a self-repeating process, extremely thin models are chosen to represent the most attractive people (even though, as someone mentioned before, they don't look attractive at all when you take off the makeup and Photoshop), they then play a part in influencing young people into thinking that being malnourished is synonymous with being attractive, which makes impressionable people eat less, then they become models which is what they've always dreamt of because they've been told it means they're attractive, and so on.
Their faults
If they keep going on that path of thinking, letting others define them, they will forever stuck with the victim tittle.
People, even models, have a mind of their own, act like it.
I don't feel sorry for such pathetic creatures
I do feel bad that we're letting these pathetic creatures define our standards of beauty, though. Just like these celebrity cults, we're just making stupid people famous.
https://goo.gl/images/BS14LX
Like, what's up with the modelling industry promoting models that look like mid-transitioning trans women? I mean, I'm 100% supportive of trans people but why is the industry that is supposedly the highest standard of feminine beauty only hiring women who have no tits, no ass and manly faces, what is up with that?
And the models job is to make the products (clothes, shoes, bags, etc) look good and special, not to good with/in those things.
Guest: "Like gurl, these ladies would thrive in Auschwit"
Lol!
It's just standards
I always find skinny people more appealing, they look more elegant and better in clothes or literally anything.
If someone develops eating disorders bc they want to look skinny, it's their fault, don't blame it on "the society"
It's an industry that runs on pretty people. They couldn't be careless about the health of their employees, I wouldnt if I were they. It's business, money is the point. There are millions of people wanting to be models, fire a few for gaining weight would hardly make a difference.
And they are not THAT skinny
VS models would be the top standards of models I would say, and they are slim but nothing close with starving. People are only annoyed cause they personally can't look that good.
As I said before, their bones are photoshopped out so you can't really tell how skinny they are. So it's easy for the ignorant eye to get fooled. But recently some online stores where I shop for clothes started disclosing the models' height and size. (I'm gonna be talking in European sizes so sorry for the confusion.) And they always write something like "The model is 180cm tall and wears a size 32" (or sometimes 34 but that's like the upper limit here). For reference, I'm 178cm tall and I wear a size 42. And as I said my weight is healthy. So wearing 5 sizes down with the same height is fucking mental. So yes, they are THAT skinny.
https://i-d.vice.com/en_uk/article/43w5nn/the-bmi-debate-how-do-you-measure-the-health-of-models
https://luxuryactivist.com/fashion/top-models-body-mass-index-health-red-alert/
So yeah models are seriously underweight and if you find that attractive, that's your preference (although I would feel pretty terrible about myself if I only dated people who have severe health issues because of their weight), just don't try to make it the highest standard because it's just not good for people's health, physical and mental.
You believing it or not doesn't matter. Just like you.
whoever starve themselves to be skinner is stupid and i dont like stupid people
i like myself being skinny but as the doctor say it'd be better if i gain about 3 or 4 kg more, im working on that. but you dont see me having Mc Donald and Pizzahut every damn meal and laying in bed all the damn time do ya?
if you want to be skinner, eat less fatty food, less sugar, more vegetables and lots of exercises.
I couldn't be any more careless about some random guest
1) "whoever starve themselves to be skinner is stupid and i dont like stupid people" So the majority of models are stupid? There were some articles posted in the thread earlier, maybe you could address them? I thought they were interesting and insightful.
2) "if you want to be skinner, eat less fatty food, less sugar, more vegetables and lots of exercises" Doesn't always work like that, some people have a naturally slow metabolism. And even then, I've tried to lose weight before and found out that dieting actually slows it down even more. So what actually works for me is to watch my calorie intake and pig out once a week to keep my metabolism from slowing to a crawl.
And no, I see no issue in that. They get and stay in the modelling industry by their very own choices, so it's on them.
If they can't take it, they shouldn't have entered it in the first place.
I alwaus look down on people who see themselves as a victim when we all have choices.
Ah, the classic "don't like it don't work there" argument. I'm sure they said the same to phosphorus jaw victims back in the day. You know, before regulations we're introduced. Just like they are being introduced in some countries, which you'd know if you read the posted articles. But I'm guessing you don't care enough.
If they keep going on that path of thinking, letting others define them, they will forever stuck with the victim tittle.
People, even models, have a mind of their own, act like it.
I don't feel sorry for such pathetic creatures