@thekaylapup. I agree that vaccines are a great invention that have saved thousands of lives, but if a person chooses to not vaccine their child, that isn’t child abuse... it’s not anywhere near phycological OR physical abuse. The child is not being hurt by this decision. People are acting like every other child died before vaccines...but theyre wrong... it wasn’t a daily occurrence in a small village or whatever...if every person who’s never had a vaccine died...then none of us would be alive because vaccines didn’t exist a long time ago. Just my two cents. Whether you believe in vaccines or not is your choice. But dont oppress people who choose not to and tell them that they’re abusing their child by making the choice not to vaccinate.
I don't really see the argument here tbh. Very few people get sick because of unwashed produce, but if you can wash it, why take the chance? I see that it's the parents choice to vaccinate their kids, and should be respected in a sense, but there is a lot of data that vaccinations are the healthiest decision for both the individual and society. And hyperbole through humor is just one way that groups/advocates can spread a message that may be lost on some anti vax parents, which is that disease and mortality are very real risks of their decisions.
@thekaylapup some people can’t get vaccines because they would die from an allergic reaction.
"If the State can tag, track down and force citizens against their will to be injected with biological products of known and unknown toxicity today, there will be no limit on which individual freedoms the State can take away in the name of the greater good tomorrow."
This is just a random quote I found...notice how it said known AND unknown. Some people dont want a shot of something going into their body if they don’t know exactly what will happen...
Aand (sorry I have a lot of points) some people don’t get vaccines Bc of religious beliefs.
Seriously. Just my opinion. I just want to make some people aware that there are reasons for not being vaccinated. Not just ignorance.
The reasons you listed are based on ignorance. Being ignorant of what is in a vaccine is something that you choose to do. You can very easily find out what is in everything. If you don't understand how it works you aren't informed enough to make a choice about it. Only people that are willfully ignorant or gullible don't take vaccines. Fun fact: religious beliefs cannot be allowed to harm your children. If your religious says your child needs to catch chicken pox for whatever reason and you practiced that part of your religion you would go to jail for child abuse and willfully spreading sickness. Not giving a child a vaccine is actively putting them at risk in a very similar manner and should be treated the same. Saying that its perfectly ok to not give children vaccines because you personally know people that are unvaccinated and fine is exactly the same as saying its perfectly fine to put your life savings on player win pair because you know someone that won 20 million at baccarat.
And obviously people with allergies shouldn't be made to take vaccines they are allergic to. Also, your quote is a fear tactic based anti vax propaganda. Notice how you didn't provide a source? Because this isn't a quite from someone who studies political science or medicine. We can't know what the consequences of requiring vaccines could be, but we do know that many things have been required by the government historically that have not lead to the drastic consequences people at the time were afraid of. We also know that while individual freedoms are protected, we have by and large chose as a country to value public safety over individual freedoms when sufficient evidence exists to require such a restriction.
I work for a company that provides services to people with disabilities. And some of those people have rights restrictions for their health and safety. And sometimes the health and safety of others. And putting such as restriction into place requires significant evidence...
... to it being needed. But no one things the rights restrictions are bad. Even the people who have these restrictions recognize them as good for them most of the time.
So here's the deal. Making one right's restriction doesn't allow room to make more. In fact, the more rights restrictions a person in one of our programs has, the more likely someone is to go "are all of these really nessicary?" And yeah, they are really nessicary. One man isn't allowed to leave his home without supervision because he has a history of violence in the community. One woman isn't allowed unregulated access to lighters because she nearly burned her house down smoking in her bedroom.
And I don't think its unreasonable to say "Children are required to get vaccinated against polio because polio crippled thousands of people"
If a child is admitted to the hospital with frostbite from being outside in winter for too long without proper attire, the parents are definitely going to be charged with neglect.
Neglect is child abuse. Children have died from neglect. Neglect is not providing necessary care to the child. Not giving your child medical treatment has been viewed under heavy criticism for neglect. Typically it is only legal if you are a member of a religion which has been against the treatment in question since before a certain year. (Such as the Amish). Preventative care should be included. Vaccines save lives.
And none if this is to mention that not vaccinating your children means that the virus has more opportunities to mutate. If your child gets sick they might die, but they also might have the disease mutate in their body and then pass it on to children who had the vaccine. Those kids are now sick even though they were vaccinated. The virus will now continue to mutate and spread and it's become an epidemic. This happens with the flu all the time. Imagine if it happened with polio, or measles.
diseases are coming back because of the anti vaxxer movement. I got the flu for the first time in my 20 years of existence because a new strain popped up outside of the flu shots spectrum of breeds which is being blamed on antivaxxers already and most likely not without basis. The anti vaxxer movement is actively causing problems for the public health and since education doesn't work legislation and penalization needs to be used.
Knowing passing on HIV is considered attempted murder in some places. Its largely being debated due to AIDS no longer being considered a terminal illness. But can you imagine if the same laws applied to airborne pathogens? You would suddenly not be able to take your sick child out of the house because knowing exposing others is attempted murder if the illness is deadly enough.
Also, not everyone died, sure. But many many people did in fact die. 15 million people died of smallpox in 1967. Its believed that around 400 million people have died of smallpox in world history. And that's just one disease. That only killed 30% of its (non infant) victims. The other 70% were left with scars, horrible memories, and dead babies. And that's just smallpox.
And you might think that the idea of exposing someone to a airborne disease being classified as murder is ridiculous, but remember that government mandated quarantines have definitely happened in attempts to prevent the spread of diseases.
So yeah. It's a choice. But it's a choice which compromises both the safety of your child and your community. It could easily be criminalized on a couple different levels.
I hate when people say kids won’t live w/o vaccinations. I know people who weren’t vaccinated, and fam...guess what! They’re STILL alive and perfectly healthy. All the ones I know have never even had the flu! Ever! Even if you have a vaccination you’re still susceptible to measles, flu, etc...
Stop targeting people who made the choice (or had no say on the matter) to not get a vaccine.
people that are alive without vaccines are only so privileged by the fact that almost everyone around them is vaccinated. People that are able to get a vaccine and choose not to are idiots that deserve the natural selection
that everyone else is saving them from. People that choose to keep vaccines from children that are able to receive them should be shot for child abuse.
edit: posted in two comments because funsub doesnt like certain words in the same paragraph
@butterflyer99123 While some people are fine even if they are not vaccinated, this is largely luck. And vaccines have saved thousands of people's lives and nearly eliminated certain illnesses that once caused death and suffering to many people.
Not vaccinating children from diseases that could kill them should be considered child abuse. For the same reason that it is considered child abuse not to dress your child adequately for cold weather. They might be fine, but there is a significantly increased chance of them getting sick.
I think that adults should 100% have the right to refuse vaccines. If you are 18 and you don't want a flu shot, your business. If you don't want to get the Hepatitis B vaccine, that's your choice, and no one should judge you for that. But parents shouldn't have the right to refuse vaccines for their children.
I agree with bethorien,except shooting is a tad overboard. There's a lot of legitimate reasons for a kid not be vaccinated,allergies ,organ problems such as liver transplant, ect. The whole antivax movement was based on bullshit and lies. The dr that began the whole " it causes autism " was discredited and his license was revoked . Seat belts sometimes cause more injuries that not using them; damn , I just started a retard movement. Football helmets sometimes cause injuries; ban them. I have a nephew that is antivaxer: pisses me off.
"If the State can tag, track down and force citizens against their will to be injected with biological products of known and unknown toxicity today, there will be no limit on which individual freedoms the State can take away in the name of the greater good tomorrow."
This is just a random quote I found...notice how it said known AND unknown. Some people dont want a shot of something going into their body if they don’t know exactly what will happen...
Aand (sorry I have a lot of points) some people don’t get vaccines Bc of religious beliefs.
Seriously. Just my opinion. I just want to make some people aware that there are reasons for not being vaccinated. Not just ignorance.
I work for a company that provides services to people with disabilities. And some of those people have rights restrictions for their health and safety. And sometimes the health and safety of others. And putting such as restriction into place requires significant evidence...
So here's the deal. Making one right's restriction doesn't allow room to make more. In fact, the more rights restrictions a person in one of our programs has, the more likely someone is to go "are all of these really nessicary?" And yeah, they are really nessicary. One man isn't allowed to leave his home without supervision because he has a history of violence in the community. One woman isn't allowed unregulated access to lighters because she nearly burned her house down smoking in her bedroom.
And I don't think its unreasonable to say "Children are required to get vaccinated against polio because polio crippled thousands of people"
If a child is admitted to the hospital with frostbite from being outside in winter for too long without proper attire, the parents are definitely going to be charged with neglect.
And none if this is to mention that not vaccinating your children means that the virus has more opportunities to mutate. If your child gets sick they might die, but they also might have the disease mutate in their body and then pass it on to children who had the vaccine. Those kids are now sick even though they were vaccinated. The virus will now continue to mutate and spread and it's become an epidemic. This happens with the flu all the time. Imagine if it happened with polio, or measles.
Also, not everyone died, sure. But many many people did in fact die. 15 million people died of smallpox in 1967. Its believed that around 400 million people have died of smallpox in world history. And that's just one disease. That only killed 30% of its (non infant) victims. The other 70% were left with scars, horrible memories, and dead babies. And that's just smallpox.
And you might think that the idea of exposing someone to a airborne disease being classified as murder is ridiculous, but remember that government mandated quarantines have definitely happened in attempts to prevent the spread of diseases.
Stop targeting people who made the choice (or had no say on the matter) to not get a vaccine.
edit: posted in two comments because funsub doesnt like certain words in the same paragraph
Not vaccinating children from diseases that could kill them should be considered child abuse. For the same reason that it is considered child abuse not to dress your child adequately for cold weather. They might be fine, but there is a significantly increased chance of them getting sick.
I think that adults should 100% have the right to refuse vaccines. If you are 18 and you don't want a flu shot, your business. If you don't want to get the Hepatitis B vaccine, that's your choice, and no one should judge you for that. But parents shouldn't have the right to refuse vaccines for their children.