Kate her self said we don't know what SHE'S going to identify as.
So she is as well.
But really it doesn't matter as of now due to the child is to young to even say a single word. So to call the child a she right now shouldn't matter.
Thats kinda dumb fitting in as a kid is hard enough but now its gonna be 2 times as hard cause you dont even have the option of just siding with boys or girls. She is probably gonna get bullied and mad confused is my prediction
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This idea that children (!) should be "siding with boys or girls" is part of the problem she's probably trying to avoid. Her kid looks like a daughter (apparently there are visible genitals) but that doesn't mean the mother or we (as a society) need to push "her" or any kid into a gender role before s/he is ready for it and/or is starting to identify as whatever. Many, probably most kids identify as a gender way before puberty, but some don't. Setting a gender as fixed doesn't help those who are sure "what" they are and is pushing those who don't or don't yet.
Not to mention gender is a pretty arbitrary category. Even now in my adulthood, I recognize that I am a woman but I genuinely don't see how this should change anything about who I am or what I do. I realize that it does change things because people are biased in certain things towards me, and in others against me, but I just don't see how this arbitrary characteristic should impact my life.
And no I don't want to put any extra labels on myself like"graygender" or "neutrois" or something like that because I just think these labels are pointless.
Imagine how confused kids must feel when we tell them "you must wear pink and play with dolls" and so on. Like, just let them be kids, let them wear and play with whatever they want, I'd say it's more confusing for them to push them into these gender roles than not, the only confusion might stem from the fact that most people do push their kids into gender roles and the kid might feel like an outcast. But that's an issue of society as a whole.
Honestly I don't see why people are so confused and scandalized now. I remember being in elementary school back home and we were taught this. Sex is your genes XX, XY that determines your anatomy and physiology. Gender is a social construct. So in my time it was girls wear pink and these clothes and are more prone to take care of house chores. Now that can change with generations because we know now it doesn't have to be like that. Furtheremore, other cultures have different gender expectations so it is always changing. The sex. Yoy are born with (anatomy and physiology it is wrll defined unless a mutation happens). So if she is anatomically a girl I don't see the problem with calling her a girl from day one. Tgere is a big chance she wilk stay a girl. If not, it is not offensive. She hasn't decide yet if she wants to change it. Usually I get downvoted when I say this but it is not my opinion is biology and how the body works
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Today more people are openly offended with alternative concepts of gender identities and what they perceive as deviations from "normality" because they realize they're loosing their status as members of the hegemonial group. Which makes sense when that membership is pretty much all they have to show.
I never said you had to fir a gender role or that you had to let your gender define you im simply saying that for the most part complicating a kids gender is by no means freeing them up or liberating them. Most kids do what they want regardless of gender but isolating them from other kids by saying they are not like the others is not good for them mentally in fact putting any complex issue on a kid is in my opinion is just stupid and unfair to the kid. When the kid grows up let them decide how they feel on everything. As a kid being able to identify with your peers is crucial and trust me this isnt helpinf
I get your point however what I meant was that imposing totally arbitrary gender categories on a kid sucks, and the fact that everybody else does it too doesn't make it right. I completely agree that sometimes parents pushing "progressive" stuff on their kids might make the kids feel ostracized from the group. But it isn't really the parent who doesn't burden their kid with gender roles who's in the wrong, it's all the other parents who do. It's like, when everybody else is in the wrong, should I be in the wrong as well just to belong?
I think no parent should push their kids into anything. I think that people panic too much with their children. I feel sometimes parents are too eager to show their own progressive ideas that they force their kids to live them or get scared when a girl does want to be more traditional in the sense of playing with dolls and various other things. In my opinion though throwing your child in a spotlight is never good for them allow them to grow and figure themselves out. The simpler your child hood the better. Allow them to battle complex ideas and find themselves when they actually understand everything that is going on.
If your girl walks over to the army men that is fine but dont try to battle traditional ideas by forcing them out of the girl section and make them pick a boys toy to battle the system.
Gender is not a social contruct, it is biology. Calling yourself some bizzaro "thing/name" does not change your genes. Give yourself a description like "Z-asparagus-willie-hammer-snapple" for all I care but you are still male or female, not "x".
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Dude, the 19th century called and wants it's axiomatic facts back.
"... I get downvoted when I say this but it is not my opinion is biology and how the body works. " Um, yes it is how biology works. Why do lefties want to claim scientific "fact" about global warming but deny the fact that human genes are either XX or XY (excepting rare hermaphrodites)?
There are many more chromosomal combinations than XY and XX and they're not THAT rare (about 1 in 100 are something else than XY or XX which, considering the number of living people in the world, is a pretty high number) and in most cases you can't tell because they don't look that different from what society considers male and female. Case in point, Superman syndrome (XYY) men just look like tall men and have learning problems, but tall men with learning problems aren't always XYY, they can have ADHD and tall parents or something, so how do you tell? Or women with Swyer's syndrome who technically have XY chromosomes but grew female external sexual organs because the SRY gene didn't activate when they were in the womb. That's the thing, trying to determine "gender" from chromosomes has such a shaky foundation that it's not a reliable method and people who claim it's correct because "something something science" are... just factually wrong.
And then also, even the fact that intersex people exist and they're still usually referred to as he/she kind of proves that most people will refer to you by what you look like, not rush you to a lab and look at your chromosomes upon meeting you or something.
Ok but still point is. IN GENERAL there is a she and he from biology, eventhougg as mentioned there are exceptions. The social aspects of she and he are the ones that are not really defined by anything just culture and tradition. Therefore those can be easily flexible. But people.
Yeah I know Im just trying to respond to guest and all the people who keep saying that "gender equals chromosomes and you can't refute me because something something science" and then proceed to get the science wrong.
She was just answering a question about how she would raise her daughter differently from her sons. All she was saying was that she wasn’t going to raise her daughter differently than her sons just because she was a girl. That she just wanted to raise her kids as individuals regardless of their gender. Then it got blown out of proportion.
Why is it so hard for pwople to get it? Simple google search
Gender: either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
So she is as well.
But really it doesn't matter as of now due to the child is to young to even say a single word. So to call the child a she right now shouldn't matter.
And no I don't want to put any extra labels on myself like"graygender" or "neutrois" or something like that because I just think these labels are pointless.
Imagine how confused kids must feel when we tell them "you must wear pink and play with dolls" and so on. Like, just let them be kids, let them wear and play with whatever they want, I'd say it's more confusing for them to push them into these gender roles than not, the only confusion might stem from the fact that most people do push their kids into gender roles and the kid might feel like an outcast. But that's an issue of society as a whole.
Gender: either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.