Makes sense. The apple carrots will all be the same size. Grabbing their huge stalk you can easily access 100% they offer with little or no effort. They look impressive aesthetically. For most people making a soup or a snack- these small carrots are the perfect size. The Android carrot field- every carrot is a little different and no two come up the same way. It has a tiny little stalk. There’s so much under the surface but you’ll have to strain to get it all, if the stalk doesn’t snap off- or dig it out. When you’re done digging you’ll be able to do more with your giant carrot, however most people don’t actually need a giant carrot- just a regular size one. So anyone just wanting to quickly and easily get just enough carrot for their usual daily needs can go to the apple field and be sure they’re getting something that will easily work. The android field can provide anyone who needs more carrot and doesn’t mind the extra work, or the uncertainty of whether the carrot is even usable.
@asteroid- I’m not really sure how it’s scraping the bottom of the barrel to say that two products with distinctly different design philosophies and operating systems each have advantages or disadvantages? It’s just a phone. A machine. It does what you need or t doesn’t. You like the interface or you don’t. iPhones are designed to be relatively easy to use by anyone familiar with the interface- but restrictive by nature to prevent user error and maintain system integrity. Android is designed to allow more room for intentional or accidental breach of integrity for users who want to have more control and are willing to do so. People like playing them as sides- but no one has ever told me why an iPhone is objectively any better than an Android, or provided me anything an Android can do an iPhone can’t which I actually would care about in a phone. It’s just for individuals to choose the tool that suits them best. Neither is better.
@guest- the point of my comment seems missed- but to answer your question- it depends on how hungry you are right? A wise person would pick the one that will fill their needs, not more or less wouldn’t they? Do you regularly find yourself in line to get food, and look at what the person in front of you ordered and say: “Wow. You’re foolish. You’re going to be hungry later because you didn’t order enough..” if you’re ordering a dozen donuts for yourself to eat for breakfast, and I only order 2, am I missing out, or do you think I ordered exactly as many donuts and exactly the type of donuts I liked? So what works for one person doesn’t work for all. That’s why it’s great we have choice. People can get what they like and what works for them. Neither carrot is inferior. They both had positives and negatives that make them suited for certain things or people.
Well how much bang do you get for your buck? That's the point of the post. Your example about donuts doesn't apply here at all. I think your claims are unfounded. Please review your comment, you will see what the problem is. However, I give you a hand, you say iPhone is designed for easy use and Android is designed for easier breach of integrity. You can make better arguments since I know you to be able to.
Surely if the price is the same and the carrots are of different sizes you would pick the larger of the two? If not then why pick the one that will surely sate you for an insignificant amount of time. Yes there is the argument that it could spoil, but that can largely be avoided based on the method of storage. Also I started with animals and I shall surely finish with animals. The rabbit on the right must in much sooner time go to the field and gather more food whereas the rabbit on the right can lounge around with his food. Yes there is the chance it will spoil but to a rabbit I would suppose that would mean little.
@asteroid- you misunderstand. I am not saying android is designed to be a liability. You’re seeing bias where there is none. I’m saying that the more open a system is- the more vulnerable it is to external or user introduced undesirable operation or instability. That’s a fundamental of design. The balance point is where a user has a level of safety and a level of functionality they can live with. Android sacrifices some of that safety to allow the user more freedom with the system. Apple restricts the user from doing things they may want. Just as there are cars and motorcycles and one isn’t better than the other. One must weight freedom and risk as well as intended use.
@guest- I buy less things for more money if I need less. If I do not believe I will be able to use that much I do not buy that much- even if the overall price is unfavorable- because I don’t want or need more. The argument of quantity shows mindset, as I say. Different strokes for different folks. Why do I care if there is more of something if I don’t want more? Now- the amplify falls apart when we consider we aren’t comparing carrots to carrots- when we compare the two phones we are actually comparing 2 different types of root. Why would I buy a pound of potatoes for $2 vs a bushel of carrots for $3 if I cake for carrots? I’d buy the thing I want for the price it costs. I don’t need more of something than what I need of it, and I don’t need more of a thing I never wanted to begin with. That’s not value by definition.
But these are not different vegetables these are the same? It would be a more accurate representation to use Redskin potatoes vs russet potatoes. From what I understand you buy the Apple product because of the simplicity so for this I will use a pre-peeled potato. For the Android camp I will use an unpeeled potato. From here I will try to explain my understanding. You will pay more to have the potato peeled merely because it is already peeled? Whereas Android users prefer to peel their own potato? Or would it be better to say you want mashed potatoes (Apple) so you buy premade mashed potatoes instead of potatoes (Android) because the time to make it into mashed potatoes doesn't warrant the decrease in price?
I think your analogy is overall better than my example. Although analogies can get rather confused since they tend to never be quite perfect. For the most part yes- that’s a component is that the potato is pre peeled. But... I suppose it might be like the difference between buying 8 potato’s for $1 or a medium McDonald’s fries for $2? The potato’s give you more for less if you make your own fries. They also can be used for whatever you want whereas the fries are sort of what they are. The exact type of potato and quality will vary greatly depending on many factors, the quality of the thing you make will also vary. It could be better or worse. But you won’t likely be able to replicate the McDonald’s fries with your own potato’s. If you want those fries, and you just want them and don’t want to mess with it, and you want the same experience every time- the McD’s are more money but you know those conditions will be met.
It’s the classic PC vs Mac debate in portable form. I love PC’s. There are so many things I’d rather do on a non Mac machine than Mac. But there are things I’d much rather do on a Mac than a PC too. At an enterprise level- the Android devices have proved much more finicky than the previous windows based handheld units for my company. Developing our own software, integrating third party software- even the guys who made the devices and the version of OS they run have problems because there are SO many ways to do everything and everyone does them their own way- that not only is it difficult to release software and security patches that play nice with all the other peripherals and software out there- but you can destroy the basic functionality of the device very easily without doing anything besides changing a setting, deleting or blocking an app, or loading an update. Version control is a HUGE issue and troubleshooting and tech support are complex drawn out ordeals because almost every...
Case is a one off. However- the Apple handhelds wouldn’t do what we want. Development would be extremely restricted, and the price difference per unit is a big deal. We wouldn’t have the ability to customize for our use cases. So they aren’t even an option worth considering for our application. Now- where I live Apple Pay is everywhere. There’s plenty of common hardware and software applications that are made to interface Apple personal electronics. The lead Android developer as well as the VP who made the decision to use Android devices- even the CIO use Apple personal phones and the CIO and VP use Apple lap tops. There isn’t anything they could do with an Android they would want to which they cannot do with their iPhone, and the iPhone offers them integration to common systems around them as well as an interface they like and a mostly sealed ecosystem that simplifies dealing with issues and mitigates possible risks in compatibility etc.
I have nothing against android phones- but in the seemingly endless debate of “my phone is better than your phone” my stance is that people choose the best phone for them. The best phone depends on who you are and even when in your life you are. A corvette and a Chevy Tahoe Premiere cost pretty much the same amount new- and we an argue towing capacity, top speed, MPG, blah blah blah. Hell- you can buy a custom motorcycle or high end electric bike in that range too. You can buy a gyrocopter too- but each person buying each of those is looking for something very different. The Covertter buyer isn’t an idiot because he can’t tow a boat if he isn’t trying to tow a boat, and a sports car buyer might not need or want a truck. All 4 will get you where you’re going but the details are different on each.
Thank you. Finally, someone else gets it. Never understood or validated claims that one is better than the other. To each their own. Apple has had its flaws and foibles as much as android. Buy what you like and what works for you. I don’t get the war over devices.
@guest_ Yessss finally someone gets it, different strokes for different folks. Personally I prefer Android because I find the limitedness of iOS kinda infuriating (I had an iPad for a few years and was glad to get rid of it when it broke) but I'm not going to berate anyone for wanting a more limited device if they don't need the features and want to be sure they don't accidentally brick their phone by messing around with it.
I do, however, go full "aykshually" when someone tries to tell me that Apple is better.
The point is one thing and one thing only Apple is a shit company that prevents people from doing anything with their devices, I urge you to search for Apple fuckups on google or youtube. You can look at its fight with repair shops all over the country. It doesn't want customers to be able to do anything with their devices, which are not theirs but their customers'. Apple doesn't understand this simple notion and that's why many people hate them. You can buy a Ferrari and open up the hood and do with it as you please, but Apple products oh no they are sent from the gods nobody should touch them. Apple is mainly a bunch of thieves. I hate them with passion. Freedom for customers is what makes a difference. I suppose you still use Microsoft encarta instead of Wikipedia. Openness creates innovation, apple is in a vicious cycle of stagnation. Hopefully people ditch their pompous ass and buy from reputable companies who care about the customers.
That is a very good point and I agree with it 100%. The devices are one thing but Apple have been huge dicks towards their customers, blaming every issue on "well I guess you didn't treat it well enough" and undermining non-affiliated repair shops. Louis Rossmann has some great videos about this.
Yeah lol. I remember taking special care of my iPad charger because I thought that it would only break if I yanked it out by the soft cable like many people were doing but even when I grabbed it by the hard plastic part, it still broke after less than two years. The connector just literally fell out of the plastic thing. (I wrapped the next one in heat shrink tube for protection but then the iPad itself broke so whatever) Nothing even remotely close ever happened with my microusb or usb-c chargers, some of which are over 10 years old and used frequently, so I don't think I was treating it poorly. Apple's business practices and customer service are just bad and predatory.
@asteroid- actually you are wrong. Google it. Ferrari legally compelled a popular artist to change their car because the artist put nyan cat floormats and a vinyl on their car. Ferrari has stipulations including how the logos are to be displayed, colors, upkeep, and clauses stating that they have first dibs whenever a customer sells the car. If you buy a new Ferrari for $500k, and decide to sell it, you have to notify Ferrari and they must approve, and may choose to buy the car back for what you paid. For instance- if you are offered $1million for that $500k Ferrari, Ferrari can say “no” and give you $500k and take your car. So not true at all. You cannot simply buyba Ferrari and do whatever you want to it- at least not from Ferrari. Some cars they don’t even bother selling and will only “lease” or “rent” and they keep the car in storage and you have to tell them when and where you plan to use it and they will transport it to that location and supervise you while you have it.
But back to Apple- yes. Their design philosophy is very restrictive. They build a product and to ensure that it meets their brand standards they do not want people tinkering, using parts or software that they haven’t tested or approved, or using the device for things they haven’t vetted it for. It’s not a philosophy I subscribe to but one I understand. It’s a philosophy of less problems. One where things work. Look- you can buy 200 bathroom scales and use them to weigh a car (which some friends actually once did..) but that’s not what they were designed for. And- you can’t rely on mass consumers being intelligent. When a device fails most people blame the device, not themselves. Speaking of Ferrari’s- people often peg high performance vehicles as unreliable or what not. These are usually people who shouldn’t have bought one. I’ve owned several BMW’s and the brand has a reputation with many for being unreliable, unjustly. BMW tells you what fluids to use and when, to never...
... rotate tires, to only use approved parts and accessories- and they tell you when parts will break. Go online and see all the complaints about BMW control arms or coolant leaks. But- every 50-75k you’re supposed to replace those things. If you do it.... you don’t have the problems many people have. If you treat it like dads old Toyota and just do oil changes it will fall apart around you. It’s designed into the car and they tell you upfront in the owners manual and service schedule- yet... people complain. Kids bought lancer evolutions and then shit their pants when it was $1,000 for a brake job or tires. Those big advan tires and multi pot brembos are expensive to replace. Then many put the cheapest crap that would fit on and the car didn’t perform as advertised and they said “these cars suck..” well sorry son. Semi Race tires with 90 treadwear don’t last long in street driving and not a lot of cars setting lap records run $40 off brand tires.
The consumer IS responsible for what they do with their product, how they care for it, and the level of quality they choose in ancillaries. However, the perceptions most consumers form about brands and products is emotional and based on their individual experience. If you give a moron or a cheapskate or someone ignorant of performance machinery a Ferrari it will notnlast long and they will have a bad experience and they will tell everyone about it. That reflects badly on the company and the brand. So Apple cares about their image and doesn’t trust individual consumers with their brand image or experience and so they try to control it as much as possible to prevent people from doing foolish things. That also prevents people who actually know what they are doing from doing non foolish things. If you had an airplane you likely wouldn’t watch YouTube videos and try and modify your engines yourself- but that’s what people do with consumer electronics. That’s what they are trying to stop....
... but yes. The company is a giant greedy monolith that is trying to also prevent competition at the same time and make sure that they get your money and not someone else. And...? Some companies hide it better but that’s not an Apple exclusive thing. We aren’t talking about philosophy or corporate image- we are talking about product. Some people like the security of “big brother” and say things like “I have nothing to hide so I don’t care about invasive surveillance of it improves safety..” some people want complete lawless anarchy, and most fall somewhere in between. In the wold of products you can choose what works best for you.
I do, however, go full "aykshually" when someone tries to tell me that Apple is better.