Duh. But telling an overweight person they are beautiful is fine. That’s the distinction. A particle physicist is smart. A child likely isn’t as smart as a particle physicist. So you probably shouldn’t tell a child “you’re smart enough. You don’t need to learn more.” But you might very well tell them “you’re smart.” In fact- think about this- would you tell a person “you’re ugly. You should wear make up.” Or “You should get a new haircut, that one doesn’t suit you.” Unprompted- a stranger, who didn’t ask you- would you tell them that? Then why would you tell a staranger “you don’t need to change, you’re beautiful”? Generally- we don’t need to tell people what we think about how they look. Do you run up to every car passing you and tell them that biking or walking would be better for them? Do you walk around looking for people sitting to tell them that it drastically increases their heart health risks? Big people can be beautiful. Big people can be healthy....
... not every big person will be healthy, and not everyone will find every person beautiful. So yeah- telling ANYONE they don’t need to change is kinda dumb since life IS change and we are all always changing. If a person wants to lose weight for their health we should encourage them. Even if they are healthy they will almost certainly be MORE healthy if they cut back some and or be more active. True of most anyone regardless of size or weight. But telling a big person they should lose weight to be able to be considered attractive has nothing to do with health. You might find unhealthy living unattractive. Others may not. Some people won’t date smokers or drug users or drinkers and others prefer it. Some people won’t date a gym rat and some prefer it. That’s personal and it is not their responsibility to change themselves to your idea of attractiveness.
The difference is that many people don't look at the overweight as real people. We are a joke. We are less than human. We don't have feelings and we are not worthy of any kind of positive thoughts.
That seems to be the way many lean. I’m sorry. People like to think we are so evolved compared to the horrible people in our history books who went on crusades or burned witches, who were racists and sexists. But the mechanism and its effects is simply a desire of many to pour their anger and discontentment into a vessel. To choose a person different than them and then justify why that person is the personification or wrong so that they can be unkind and cruel without being seen as an asshole. Overweight people are people, there is nothing wrong with the overweight. One isn’t “lazy” or “undisciplined” or otherwise without virtue for being overweight. Some people actually do choose to be overweight for their own reasons. That’s fine too. Breast implants aren’t healthy nor are tattoos or any number of things- people can make their own decisions. And IF an overweight person wants help losing weight- belittling and marginalizing and bullying them to their goal isn’t the best way to do it.
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@guest_ see what I mean? Respectfully, it seems like wheresoever hearts are starting to bleed, you can be found holding the banner of the white knight.
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IMHO, to each their own. I believe that the way you maintain your body is a major factor in how we earn and keep the respect of others. Human being have a natural, primal instinct to show deference and respect to someone in peak physical condition, as opposed to someone who is not. Based on that fact on it's own, if an overweight person is comfortable losing the "subconscious" respect of others, that's their decision.
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The "Fat acceptance movement" has shown that overweight people don't want to be TOLD they're overweight. Ok... so don't tell them. Just don't be surprised when they drop like flies, and show them no preferential treatment in the medical system. Other, people who've voluntarily kept themselves healthy have a the same right to healing as someone who's deliberately throw their health away.
@shikharizard- I’ve sought professional help, but they diagnosed it as a chronic case of empathy. It’s this strange feeling I have that when I see people suffering needlessly I just can’t stomach it, and when there is some need I seek to mitigate it. As though... all these words I say about genuinely respecting people and their differences and fundamental humanity are... real? To the subject- 1. Humans are not conditioned to respect physical potency. We aren’t that smart. Cartoon physics. The primitive part of our brains thinks “bigger is better,” and through much of history being large was considered attractive and a sign of wealth or potency and a developed physique was often seen as vulgar or low class. The history of women’s fashion also seeks to enhance or highlight literally- the places a woman stores the most fat, and make that fat stand out. Your closing statement also conflates health to wait where the two can be linked but are not intrinsically so.
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@guest_ bouncing back to my first point, I think one should consider the societal implications of being overweight. As we're all abundantly aware that being overweight is NOT healthy, and certainly detrimental to one's body, health, and in many cases, one's lifestyle as well - I'd love to hear how this stems from anything other than a case of indiscipline.
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Seriously, it's black and white. Either you have a medical condition or disorder that manifests itself on your body, or... what? I'll leave a kinder, more virtuous soul than mine to fill in the blank.
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My point again, is that if you're going to allow yourself to slide, you should expect to be passed over for jobs, or promotions. When all other factors remain the identical, and a moral judgement call needs to be made on a candidate - for anything - how can one be expected to show objectivity?
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So to each their own. Let people live their lives, but don't choose to live in an Ivory tower.
But wether people die or not is up to them. Choose how you die. Will it be cancer? Heart disease? Diabetes? Smoke, drink, eat red meat, ride motorcycles or wrestle bears. It’s your life. Acceptance isn’t about preferential treatment. It’s about equality. Showing the same respect to those of all sizes. Respecting peoples right to make their own life choices, not discriminating against people in pointless ways- maybe a 700lb man isn’t the best choice for a marathon partner and that’s fair. Maybe he doesn’t meet the criteria to be in the armed forces. That’s practical. But there’s no reason he can’t be a singer or a featured model or anything else where his weight isn’t a practical hurdle- and like all things we should accommodate physical and other differences in society so that all people have the maximum ability to live life and enjoy the same things as others if we can.
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@guest_ Sorry, no. Your arguments, though wordy, are typically much stronger than this. My first closing statement conflated nothing. It simply said that people who keep themselves healthy should not be passed over in the medical system, to treat those who have deliberately not. I don't recall mentioning weight at all, and since we're having this conversation in text, I can confirm that I didn't.
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Secondly, while being fat in the past was certainly considered a sign of wealth, it did not liken that "largeness" to respect garnered from others, on any grounds other than wealth. Take a fit, healthy billionaire, and place him next to an obese one- I would respect both, tremendously on the grounds of their achievements. I would however respect one more than the other. I would suggest, that most other people with opinions not quite so radical as mine would agree.
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You're correct that women's fashion deliberately highlights the places in which women store fat. So, just to clarify, you're describing the conventional standards of beauty that deliberately highlights the bust, the butt, the hips - and their contrast in size to a woman's itty bitty tiny little waist- is that correct? So to clarify again, would you say that women's fashion aims to highlight specifically the presence of fat, or the contrast in size of those fatty regions, to other regions on a woman's body?
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Like I said, to each their own. We're all given one life, and I think we should enjoy them as much as possible. I wholeheartedly respect the right of people to engage and overdose in their respective vices.- I would simply suggest that you do so in moderation, and in some kind of secrecy.
Your closing statement- on the topic of the overweight, says the same rights as those who voluntarily throw their health away. By default the overweight are not inherently unhealthy, the statement implies that to be overweight is to voluntarily throw your health away. Unless you’re just rambling and when you said “people who voluntarily throw their health away...” in a thread on weight in reply to a post on weight in your own post about the overweight you were referring to people who vokintariky throw their health away by... snorting crushed up razor blades? On the second point- oh good. I’m glad I know who you would respect. That is exactly what this post, this topic, and everyone really everywhere was concerned with. You’re viewing kings from your vantage point in the 21st century. The question wasn’t who you respect or anything about billionaires. You specifically mentioned that humans were disposed by natural primal instinct to respect physical prowess which is not correct. Money..
.. has nothing to do with t since we know nothing in our genes cares if you’re a billionaire. We may be attracted socially to those who can provide and the signs of that- but not quite the same. You’re all over the place here. THe more you speak the more I am completely convinced you are a troll.
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I come from a bloodline with easily 20 generations with history of heart-disease, diabetes, overeating, etc. My body is beginning to show the signs of such vice, and I am certainly possessing of the traits that would lead my body, and my health to decay and ruin. It takes a remarkable, marked effort for me to curb those cravings in myself. I have to work harder than others to monitor both my diet, but also that I engage in sufficient exercise, where as my body and mind would much rather I live a sedentary lifestyle. If I become overweight - and I've come close on more than one occasion - I will have nobody to blame but myself. If that manifests in one of the many diseases I am extremely prone to developing, I will have nobody to blame but myself. If my career, or my sex-life, or family life, or my eligibility as a young single man should be damaged due to my body and my indiscipline, I will have...
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So I respect your empathy.. I just think you and others like you are responsible for allowing our society to become a society of victims.
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@guest_ Please. Let's speak like adults. Yes, I'm a money obsessed young shit, just like Jordan Belfort described in TWOW. But for Christ's sake, don't make me spell it out for you. The example would I made be just as sound if we compared a physically fit rapist, to an obese one. In that example I would have an equal LACK of respect for both- I would still however respect one more than the other.
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That does NOT mean, NOR imply that I disrespect obese people. I don't. I have basic respect for most people. It's because I have respect for people, it's because I give a flying fuck that I share the controversial opinions that most of our victim society can't accept. The truth remains the truth whether or not you're comfortable with it.
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@guest_ I used to work in outbound sales for a telecom company. We used to work in partnerships. The best of us (by a HUGE margin) was an obese man. I would choose not to be his partner, despite my tremendous respect for him and his abilities - abilities I can't pretend that I could match, and never took sufficient time to develop. I would choose not to be his partner, just because of how uncomfortable it was to sit next to him on a plane, or in a compact car, the like of which our company used to rent for us.
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I would turn down the financial benefit of working in proximity to him, because of the other impacts he had on my life. Tangible impact. When he's taking up 30% of my seat on a 5 hour flight, do I just tolerate that, or do I say something? When I do say something, is that me going out of my way to belittle and disrespect him, or to stand up for my basic rights?
It's not that we don't want to be told we are overweight, it's the way we are treated. We know we are overweight, we know it's not healthy. Fat acceptance is not accepting unhealthy, it is accepting the fact that there is a real live person there.
By your standard of respecting those who take care of their bodies...do you hold the anorexic or bulemic with the same disdain? Are they gross? Should we all poke fun at them...you know, so they can see the error of their ways.... it's for their own good...
Of course not. That is just a shitty thing to do.
But if you're fat, fuck you slob. Go to a gym fatty.
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@Strongsad I believe in consistency in my message. Anorexia and Bulemia are in both cases non-voluntary disorders. So no, I would not place that disdain on them, you're correct. However - and I don't know when I'd ever find myself in this situation - but if I was advising someone Anorexic/Bulemic on the necessity that they take action, and proactively try and get better, and I determined that someone I cared about was not making an adequate effort (when calculated against how tough they are, and able to survive my pushing them) - I would ABSOLUTELY encourage them, vigorously, to make a greater effort for their own health. And if you haven't gathered from the tone of my commentary, I would push them HARD.
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I don't speak to overweight people with the disrespect you referenced, but I do believe that losing weight is easier- having done it many times, and even now embroiled in a cycle like that. Seriously.. consume less calories is not the most complex message to deliver.
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@Strongsad Honestly though, thank you for saying it. I have never looked at "Fat acceptance" as accepting a "fat person" - as opposed to accepting the concept of being fat, and tolerating fatness. I've never seen it that way.
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I understand what you're saying, and I respect how difficult it probably was for you to comment. I however was raised under extremely harsh and difficult circumstances. I had more pressure put on me by age 14 than most people have put on them their whole lives. As a young man I've deliberately put myself in a position to live and work under extreme pressure.
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My point is: people are stronger than they think. I think we need to stop caressing each other like a community of flakes, and start holding each other to a higher standard. If you are of unhealthy weight, and you know it, then you know you're doing yourself a disservice. FIX IT.
People are stronger than they think. They CAN lose weight if they are motivated and have support. They can get healthy or be healthier regardless of their weight. A few people fall into categories that they simply can’t- but not discussing the outliers just most people- the first and most important fact is not everyone WANTS to be healthy or WANTS to lose weight. That’s their business. Piercings are just extra holes to get infected. Tattoos as well. It’s a personal choice. Drinking isn’t healthy and pretty much no recreational drug is even if they have certain health benefits they all have risks. That’s life. People do as they like. But many people who want to lose weight are people who just are finding it hard for various reasons. Proof positive exists that telling smokers or heroine users etc. that they are disgusting or sweeping them under a rug doesn’t help them quit. People need support, encouragement- and as has been shown in other countries- not excluding these people from...
... society or making them pariah are beneficial to their health and well being as well as their chances of getting control. The way you speak about weight issues is not the way we would speak about any other disability- and outside a narrow case where all other treatments were exhausted or where a therapist profiled an individual- if a paralyzed person wasn’t doing their physical therapy to regain motor skills they wouldn’t be told they are lazy and useless or disgusting etc. You, and many others are conflating things. Limping everything into a big bucket. Treating all overweight people as though they are the same. Overweight in the same ways for the same reasons and there’s one single path and that if they refuse to “help themselves” they should be treated like crap. You can encourage people to be healthy and to try harder without being an asshole to them. There are more tools than just a whip that can motivate humans.
People who teach for a whip aren’t doing it to help- they do it because they only know how to hurt, and they can at least socially justify their actions by saying it’s being done in the name of good. These are people. Human beings. Some will lose weight. Some never will. The how’s and why’s and details of their lives aren’t your business unless you’re their life coach. They are human and deserve to be treated that way. You don’t have to support being obese or unhealthy living to accept that behind that flesh is a person just like you, a person who through whatever happened gained weight and now that is where they are- no quick fixes. If they start today they may be “recommended weight” in a year or more. They deserve to have a life and be treated with respect during that time or even if that time never comes. Who are we to sit in judgement and appoint ourselves the weight watchers of another human life?
And as I’ve said before in other threads like this- I went back to school to study fitness and nutrition. I train people and I work- on a sliding scale down to pro bono- with people looking to live healthier and look and feel better. I donate my time to the cause because I believe that everyone deserves a good chance to be the best version of themselves they want to be. We set goals and give them work out plans we adjust to their progress, diet and lifestyle help, and on call support for emotional and practical issues. I’ve taken people who were dangerously obese and gotten them to where they could run a mile for some- the first time in their life. As you see here I also don’t cotton to shaming or insults. That’s what I do about helping my fellow humans with their weight and health. What do you do since you’re so invested in the weight of others and care so deeply about their personal health? What’s your investment beyond insults and negativity in stereotyping and diminishing them?
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@guest_ 1/2 Nil. My investment outside of myself - even if I had the time, and I don't, would be nothing. Outside of my professional life, nobody has ever believed in me, and they believe in me in my professional life, because I've earned it. They would not otherwise.
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I believe that at some point, we stop coddling each other and suggest TO each other, that we get our shit together and fix it. I completely respect your approach, but you're one of those touchy-feely warm individuals, whose open to nurturing and coddling and letting people take their time. The world doesn't move that slowly.
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So, I'm a selfish, self-absorbed bastard. I am viciously defensive of the people "in my hemisphere" - friends, family, myself. I use my personal power to defend and protect those people, and I use that same power on the offensive against others. I'm cynical, and jaded, and in my experience, this is a dog-eat-dog, competitive world. I make bold, difficult suggestions to people to improve
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@guest_ 2/2 ...their lives, but frankly, if people don't want to take my cruel, harsh suggestions and improve their lives and better themselves- I don't give a flying fuck. There's too many people in this world, there isn't enough to go around, the rich take too much, the poor are left with too little, and this imbalance worsens every day.
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I will position myself on the right side of it.
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I do care, I hope people act before its too late and save themselves- because nobody else will save them. But I have taken emotion out of the equation. I'm prepared to watch 100s of millions of people die, because they were too stupid to act when they had the chance. I firmly believe that will happen, and I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
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I believe you do more harm than good, by shielding people from the realities of this world, but I don't have the excess energy to combat you on it.
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So let's see what happens. Either way, I will secure my health, my future and that of my family.
@shilharizard- almost every comment you make is centered around you. YOU don’t care if people take your advice but have you ever wondered if maybe to them it’s a bigger deal? That you can just interject into the personal matters of others unprompted, lay the “truth” as you see it on them, and be uneffected has very little to do with the effect it may have on them. You don’t know me, and despite being an accepting and progressive person I’m not very touchy feely nor am I particularly sensitive myself. I am just not a self centered and oblivious person. I understand that there are other people on earth besides me and the world doesn’t exist solely for my gratification. Society and pleasantries are niceties. Luxuries which we afford because we are able. 2 people stranded with no food alone in the wild- eventually one eats the other or they both die. That’s a reality yes. Survival is brutal. It’s about will and doing whatever it takes to live- and the one that...
... dies nobly gets to die without regrets yeah- but the one that lives can live past those regrets and.. live. So yeah. There’s some truth in what you say- but this isn’t us stranded on Mount Everest. Not only is it very hard to not survive in the developed worlds day to day life, but even still there is nothing about telling someone else about themselves that helps you survive. It’s the difference between eating the guy next to you in the plane crash and torturing him for no reason. It’s the difference between eating the guy next to you because there is no food and eating him despite their being food but just to prove a point that you can get away with it. You say you focus on you and the ones in your circle and have no personal stake blah blah. You say you care for yourself and don’t care about others. Your actions and words show otherwise. It is self conflicting that you’d be self focused and not care of others yet care just enough to put a person down? That’s not a desire to...
... help. It’s just a desire to hurt others who you think you can get away with hurting under the false guise of it being in their best interests. You are framing your reality to align with your self image because most people don’t want to admit that they just enjoy hurting others- and comments like “no one believes in me..” and others you have made in other posts suggest that you were hurt and mistreated and so it’s a classic mechanism that one treated that way would then seek to take that out on others. You’ve said a lot, and your words have deep meaning- but it isn’t your message that speaks to your character it is the details of what you have said which tell me quite a bit about you. It’s there for you to see if you choose to, and to act on. But your conscious choice to be an asshole isn’t some “go getter, booker room” roguishness- it’s a tantrum from emotional distress and inability to adjust and reconcile that a world that can be cruel doesn’t have to be cruel by default.
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@guest_ Respectfully, while you may not understand my "style of caring" that doesn't invalidate it in any way. More importantly, if you think that my comments here, thus far, are "putting people down" then I am definitely wasting my time.
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If people, in general, anyone, can't handle the little I've said here so far, I'm going to be so bold as to go ahead and decree that they're simply not going to make it in this world. You guys can stop being bitches, or you don't have to, and like you said, I'm self-contradictory in sitting here and explaining myself to you. I really can't be bothered if people can handle my brand of tough-love. If they can't, so what?
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NOW, this conversation is pathetic. We're discussing the feelings of people who can't handle the truth. I am so, so so, SO, SOO not about that. Let them be fat, or weak, or stupid, or pathetic. Let them stay poor, or uneducated, or outright stupid.
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Why should I care? I don't- not that much anyway.
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@guest_ so perhaps you don't know yourself that well, but let me tell you - I'm not suggesting or asking - that you really are a nurturing, coddling, sensitive, potentially overly-sensitive person. The kind of people I spend time around would literally disown me for even communicating, or trying to communicate with people like you, who can't wake up and smell the goddamn coffee.
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Jesus Christ- what purpose is served by letting people believe that the damage they do to themselves, exclusive even of obesity specifically - is not detrimental to their lives or their future? You are infinitely more harmful to these people than I.
@shikharizard- nothing can invalidate your feelings. They are your feelings. I encourage you to explore them and get to know them. I appreciate your opinion of me but respectfully disagree. You don’t know me, you hardly know anything about me or my life or where I’ve been or what I’ve done. The things I’ve seen in my life have changed me from being an insensitive little shit who thought that I was real tough because things that made other people feel things didn’t effect me, to someone who “didn’t care...” and couldn’t be bothered to consider the perspectives of others to a person who can understand and empathize with others. With that covered... on to part 2- the subject at hand.
@shikharizard- Being overweight can be unhealthy. Without doing a physical and lab work on a person though you can’t tell what their health is. On the subject of “letting them believe...” 1. People can believe whatever they want. You can present people facts and opinions, you cannot make them accept them. The health risks of obesity shouldnt be hidden or obscured from people. In 2019 there are few people who don’t get that McDonald’s food or fried oroeos aren’t the healthiest things to eat in any regular amount. But we should continue through public programs and school and media and law to try and educate and inform people about diet and lifestyle choices. We cannot force then the believe it or follow it. Secondly, the discussion isn’t about people who have no idea they are overweight or it’s unhealthy. It’s about people who are overweight being treated like pariahs or having strangers chide them on their life choices. If you aren’t going to help, you don’t need to say anything.
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IMHO, to each their own. I believe that the way you maintain your body is a major factor in how we earn and keep the respect of others. Human being have a natural, primal instinct to show deference and respect to someone in peak physical condition, as opposed to someone who is not. Based on that fact on it's own, if an overweight person is comfortable losing the "subconscious" respect of others, that's their decision.
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The "Fat acceptance movement" has shown that overweight people don't want to be TOLD they're overweight. Ok... so don't tell them. Just don't be surprised when they drop like flies, and show them no preferential treatment in the medical system. Other, people who've voluntarily kept themselves healthy have a the same right to healing as someone who's deliberately throw their health away.
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Seriously, it's black and white. Either you have a medical condition or disorder that manifests itself on your body, or... what? I'll leave a kinder, more virtuous soul than mine to fill in the blank.
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My point again, is that if you're going to allow yourself to slide, you should expect to be passed over for jobs, or promotions. When all other factors remain the identical, and a moral judgement call needs to be made on a candidate - for anything - how can one be expected to show objectivity?
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So to each their own. Let people live their lives, but don't choose to live in an Ivory tower.
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Secondly, while being fat in the past was certainly considered a sign of wealth, it did not liken that "largeness" to respect garnered from others, on any grounds other than wealth. Take a fit, healthy billionaire, and place him next to an obese one- I would respect both, tremendously on the grounds of their achievements. I would however respect one more than the other. I would suggest, that most other people with opinions not quite so radical as mine would agree.
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Like I said, to each their own. We're all given one life, and I think we should enjoy them as much as possible. I wholeheartedly respect the right of people to engage and overdose in their respective vices.- I would simply suggest that you do so in moderation, and in some kind of secrecy.
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That does NOT mean, NOR imply that I disrespect obese people. I don't. I have basic respect for most people. It's because I have respect for people, it's because I give a flying fuck that I share the controversial opinions that most of our victim society can't accept. The truth remains the truth whether or not you're comfortable with it.
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I would turn down the financial benefit of working in proximity to him, because of the other impacts he had on my life. Tangible impact. When he's taking up 30% of my seat on a 5 hour flight, do I just tolerate that, or do I say something? When I do say something, is that me going out of my way to belittle and disrespect him, or to stand up for my basic rights?
By your standard of respecting those who take care of their bodies...do you hold the anorexic or bulemic with the same disdain? Are they gross? Should we all poke fun at them...you know, so they can see the error of their ways.... it's for their own good...
Of course not. That is just a shitty thing to do.
But if you're fat, fuck you slob. Go to a gym fatty.
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I don't speak to overweight people with the disrespect you referenced, but I do believe that losing weight is easier- having done it many times, and even now embroiled in a cycle like that. Seriously.. consume less calories is not the most complex message to deliver.
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I understand what you're saying, and I respect how difficult it probably was for you to comment. I however was raised under extremely harsh and difficult circumstances. I had more pressure put on me by age 14 than most people have put on them their whole lives. As a young man I've deliberately put myself in a position to live and work under extreme pressure.
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My point is: people are stronger than they think. I think we need to stop caressing each other like a community of flakes, and start holding each other to a higher standard. If you are of unhealthy weight, and you know it, then you know you're doing yourself a disservice. FIX IT.
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I believe that at some point, we stop coddling each other and suggest TO each other, that we get our shit together and fix it. I completely respect your approach, but you're one of those touchy-feely warm individuals, whose open to nurturing and coddling and letting people take their time. The world doesn't move that slowly.
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So, I'm a selfish, self-absorbed bastard. I am viciously defensive of the people "in my hemisphere" - friends, family, myself. I use my personal power to defend and protect those people, and I use that same power on the offensive against others. I'm cynical, and jaded, and in my experience, this is a dog-eat-dog, competitive world. I make bold, difficult suggestions to people to improve
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I will position myself on the right side of it.
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I do care, I hope people act before its too late and save themselves- because nobody else will save them. But I have taken emotion out of the equation. I'm prepared to watch 100s of millions of people die, because they were too stupid to act when they had the chance. I firmly believe that will happen, and I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
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I believe you do more harm than good, by shielding people from the realities of this world, but I don't have the excess energy to combat you on it.
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So let's see what happens. Either way, I will secure my health, my future and that of my family.
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If people, in general, anyone, can't handle the little I've said here so far, I'm going to be so bold as to go ahead and decree that they're simply not going to make it in this world. You guys can stop being bitches, or you don't have to, and like you said, I'm self-contradictory in sitting here and explaining myself to you. I really can't be bothered if people can handle my brand of tough-love. If they can't, so what?
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NOW, this conversation is pathetic. We're discussing the feelings of people who can't handle the truth. I am so, so so, SO, SOO not about that. Let them be fat, or weak, or stupid, or pathetic. Let them stay poor, or uneducated, or outright stupid.
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Why should I care? I don't- not that much anyway.
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Jesus Christ- what purpose is served by letting people believe that the damage they do to themselves, exclusive even of obesity specifically - is not detrimental to their lives or their future? You are infinitely more harmful to these people than I.