Yeah, the ICE and the Nazis are way different. The Nazis kept extensive records of who they detained and tattooed them with numbers. How many kids did the ICE lose records of?
I get what you are saying in this context, but does breaking the law constitute this sort of action? Is the law a proper unit to measure ethics? Would you follow the law if you had to kill your child because they were born a certain way? At some point, a line must be drawn. Again, in context you are correct: the easiest way to avoid incarceration is to not break the law.
See, I agree with your ideal, as in it shouldn’t be breaking the law. However, given current circumstances and legislation, it is breaking the law (at least with route of administration of seeking asylum).
See, I agree with that statement, but we also must think whether the punishment is equal to the crime. In addition, they’re kids- they likely didn’t want to break the law but they had to because their parents were dragging them along.
If they really wanted asylum, they would apply to the first country they get to (as is dictated by law), or they would show up to their asylum hearings. Hundreds of thousands instead go to ground. There's a limit to how nice we can be.
As for children, many of them don't actually show up with their parents, they're instead picked up by criminals, either to cover their own asses, or to be used as drug mules or sex slaves. And even if that weren't the case, American children are separated from their criminal parents all the time.
Borders need to be respected and enforced, why is the United States the only nation that shouldn't keep it's sovereignty?
Yeah, American children are separated from their criminal parents all the time, but often not into harsh and dangerous... camps? (I’m not sure what the correct word to use there would be, sorry) And if they are, then don’t you think that’s something that needs to be changed?
We need to prioritize our children, so making illegals permanent wards of the state is out of the question.
Making detainment pleasant would only attract more illegals.
Keeping them with the adults that probably aren't their parents only exposes them to abuse, and cutting them loose stateside wouldn't address any problems.
The camps are the best option. Existing infrastructure, under government supervision, secure. At this point, the best course of action is to find the few who are legitimate refugees and send the rest back to their nation of origin, or at least the nation they crossed over from, as quick as possible.
We have no obligation to provide any care to anyone except a limited number of actual refugees. You wanna be treated well? Come over properly, through established legal channels. Otherwise, we have no obligation to their health or wellbeing. It'd be well within our rights as a nation to just shoot anyone who approaches any part of the border that isn't a checkpoint. Some of the shit I see here in El Paso has me convinced that might be the best course of action in many cases.
That’s disheartening to hear. I’m sorry you feel this way, where loss of life is appropriate, and even recommended, just because it’s “within our rights as a nation.” However, it is your opinion, and I’m not about to infringe on your right to speech.
I’ve seen a child get put in a trunk with one leg gone, and the other just bone. They didn’t know what to do with him, so into the trunk he went. It’s amazing to me just how different we are in regards to sympathy.
Are you guys serious these are CHILDREN that's are dying in the hands of the u.s. and you guys are making excuses to why it's ok. It's never ok to let children die just because they aren't from here doesn't mean they should be treated worse than animals
So what is it that you are suggesting? No one likes to see kids die like this but what are we supposed to do, fill up every hotel in America on taxpayers dime? Build mega complexes to house all these people? I see you complaining about something that is agreeable tragic, but I don't see you offering any actual advice on how we are supposed to handle this massive influx of people.
I think the guest was referring to where or how they are being held being the issue. My response was do you have a better suggestion than camps. And that response was directed at guest. Also I'm not neccessary disagreeing with you.
In reply to @1_Puma. Legal? Maybe, ethical? No, but I agree with the premise that something has to be done. Our asylum system is being severely abused which is a shame. That system was meant to help legitimate people that we're truly in a fight for their life. it's sad to see so many people being coached on what to say to just to abuse our asylum system. At the same time overloading our border immigration system and then complaining about how slow and poor conditions there are. how can anybody think we could process the amount of people coming over every day. Like I have said in the past, we are doing our part to help the world's refugees but our system is being abused and it needs to stop.
@guest above lolcats, would you care to explain? What is so horrible about what I said that you felt the need to leave such a comment? Really, do enthrall us.
You dumb ads white people acting like you didn't steal the land from people and are still continuing to do so still and then want to act like it's so bad that immigrants want to come and then make bullshit excuses to why it's ok that children are dying smfh
First you and alot of other people need to learn to separate immigration from illegal immigration. We have these laws for a reason. Being against illegal immigration does not equate to being anti immigration. If you can't see that I feel sorry for you. Two, do you think we are not aware of the past events that lead to the founding of our country. It is regrettable but something that cannot be changed. We cannot be held to the sins of our founders as we had no say in what happened. All we have is here and now and a country we were only born into. Also your first 5 words was racist, just saying.
Yes the lines(boarders) fell as they are now when we moved into a time of relative peace as it pertains to conquering lands. If we are to remain in a state of peace(relatively) we must accept that the boarders are what they are and moved forward with our lives. Maybe in some distant future where humans are no longer hostile towards each other and don't abuse or mislead, maybe just maybe then boarder discussions can happen but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
As for children, many of them don't actually show up with their parents, they're instead picked up by criminals, either to cover their own asses, or to be used as drug mules or sex slaves. And even if that weren't the case, American children are separated from their criminal parents all the time.
Borders need to be respected and enforced, why is the United States the only nation that shouldn't keep it's sovereignty?
Making detainment pleasant would only attract more illegals.
Keeping them with the adults that probably aren't their parents only exposes them to abuse, and cutting them loose stateside wouldn't address any problems.
The camps are the best option. Existing infrastructure, under government supervision, secure. At this point, the best course of action is to find the few who are legitimate refugees and send the rest back to their nation of origin, or at least the nation they crossed over from, as quick as possible.