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famousone
· 5 years ago
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Was that supposed to be a surprise or an outrage, or something?
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guest_
· 5 years ago
Yeah. This one always gets me was there some illusion that any human being without honest to goodness super powers being able to amass hundreds or thousands of times the wealth and power of the average person was somehow gaming the system? Like- do you think that some lawyers or brokers would make what they do compared to even a skilled but otherwise less prestigious one if the system were fair and balanced and open to a contes off skills? They are THAT much better to earn the extra? Nah. Nothing happened for the same reason no one would get shocked if you published a paper saying water was wet. You don’t need papers to prove a fact inherent to the nature of a thing.
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deleted
· 5 years ago
Just funny how it's still always scandalized when poor people "rig the system" by stealing hundreds of dollars in welfare without beingfully entitled to or spend welfare money for stuff they aren't allowed to spend on? And especially the strict prosecution of this type of "financial crime"? Any verbouse and eloquent explanation for that?
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famousone
· 5 years ago
Yeah. Their money versus other people's money. If the state was trying to tax me the way it tries to tax them I'd say "Fuck it", and stash my shit where they can't touch it, too.
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deleted
· 5 years ago
Of course you would.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
@halfdeadhammerhead- people have an inherent need for the world to “make sense.” We need a consistent set of rules to frame our existence. We seek a security in that consistency, so we do not tend to inherently favor ideas of chance or randomness. The idea a person could “just be” anything because of no fault of their own, with no immediate and self determined remedy conflicts most people’s world view and calls their own security and place in life to question. To justify having what we have, to justify feelings of pride or confidence we are inclined to see the things in our life as products of our works and worthiness.
guest_
· 5 years ago
In layman’s terms that means most people on some level believe that try personally deserve what life has given them- have “paid their dues” and/or “earned it” through their deeds and struggles. Likewise- if a person believes the poor can just “be poor” through no fault or direct action- that not only means one must admit that they themselves could become in that state and lose all they have through no direct fault- but it also means that the poor- aren’t to blame for their situation. We all inherently tend to want to believe we are “good” people- and one certainly would have trouble justifying themselves as “good” if they had much by chance and another had almost nothing by chance but they refused to help no?
guest_
· 5 years ago
Thusly- if one frames the poor as a product of their own doing, and frames alma to the poor as needless handouts to those unwilling to simply do the “basic actions” required to support ones self- one can not only justify the refusal to help and the selfish desire for more as a moral right- but can retain their illusions of control and a feeling of security in a world of events out of their control. They don’t have to fave the fact that they could easily themselves be poor.
guest_
· 5 years ago
A perfect illustration of which being the “financial/housing meltdown”- in which we saw many middle class and often “welfare” opposed people seeking government aid or injunction against threats to their lifestyle. In this case such aid was self serving to these people- but morally justifiable by their logic since THEY obviously were hard working people and these things happened because of things “outside their control..” (although they actually didn’t really but- perspective..) When things are going in your favor you tend to be more inclined to be against aid programs as they take money from your benefit to benefit others, when you are in need or it serves you people tend to be for it.
silverspud
· 5 years ago
Except the journalist that reported was killed in a bombing
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somespanishguy
· 5 years ago
It happens so often in my country, that I'm not really surprised nothing happened