Old people be trippin'

Humans are hunters, not predators.

How is that any different?

Well they are both, but hunter seems more fitting for humans. We can't just be naturally predators. We need tools.

That doesn't matter. We're built from the ground up to be predators (that just so happen to be able to eat plants and stuff, kinda like a bear). Our efficient bipedal gait, our massive amount of sweat glands, our hairless bodies: all designed to make us the perfect pursuit predator. Who needs tools when you can just run your prey into the ground and make them die of exhaustion.

What pray can we run to exhaustion?

Deer, wildebeest, boar (if they don't gore you first), bison, cattle, horses, camels. Any of these animals can outrun you but they can't outlast you. If a horse were to run for 25 miles they'd drop dead. Us? We do that for fun. There's a reason we domesticated wolves as they're almost as good at pursuit predation as us.

Doubtful. Aninals are pretty even. If a horse can be faster than a human and will cat us before he gets tired, he will. The majority of humas can not just run over 25 miles without training.

Granted human ancestors are said to have also partially spent some of their history on the shorelines providing a counterpoint as to why we're mostly hairless (as well as being able to hold our breaths for relatively long periods of time with 19 minutes being the world record and 2 being the average, our slightly webbed hands and feet, and having a mammalian diving reflex like dolphins and other aquatic animals) which is known as the Aquatic Ape Theory. But that's beside the point.

Running prey animals down to exhaustion is one of our great strengths as a predator species. It is known.

Maybe ancestors. But just saying not anymore the way humas have changed their lifestyle, it is not the norm anymore. And after we kill them of exhaustion, we still need tools and fire to eat them. Just saying I doubt see humans as straight predators as other animals. Specially now after getting used to the modern lifestyle.

Well yeah, we're certainly not as fit as we were before the agricultural revolution. Still though, if we lost all our technology tomorrow, those of us who survived more than a few months would still be apex predators. The fact that we use tools shows a degree of cognitive sophistication that actually supports our claim to the top of the food chain, not negates it.

I don't negate it. Just saying an average human can't kill an animal with their bare hands. While many animals can kill us easily.

What do you think dying of exhaustion means?

Again... average human. And we would still need how to cut it probably and fire. Just saying that's why I find hunter more quiere as it is not as staging forward as an animal would do it.