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famousone
· 4 years ago
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JFK wasn't nearly as scrutinized. No president in living memory got this kind of treatment
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guest_
· 4 years ago
I believe that you are correct- Bush and Obama were both very divisive candidates who had VERY strong support and equally strong detractors and they were both treated better. But- counter point- no president in history has ever failed to at least at some point- get an approval rating of more than half of the country (50%), and perhaps a small handful of presidents have ever had lower approval ratings- no other president has ever been elected when a record breaking 60+% of the population didn’t approve of them, and they lost the popular vote by what is considered a sizable disadvantage in counts.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
So- 100%, agree with your comment that no other president in recent history has been treated like he has. Also however must point out that there are a lot of “no other president in recent history” things we could say about the current presidency. And a whole lot of “barely any presidents ever” moments. We are in a very historical place- why would a President that isn’t loved like any other president, doesn’t act like any other president, and is full of firsts and rare moments in presidential history, why would they (or anyone else) expect they’d be treated like every other president? If you met a sentient toilet that ate humans you probably wouldn’t treat it like any other toilet, nor would you treat a fish that grants wishes like any other fish would you?
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famousone
· 4 years ago
You don't have to support a president to like what they are doing. Nevermind the people afraid to openly show support, and the fact that you've got motherfuckers like me deliberately answering against our actual views just to keep other supporters from feeling comfortable.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
Not sure I understand what you’re saying. Either way- just saying it is a first among recent presidents and if the current president fails to break 50% approval in a term that will be a first for all presidents.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
Speaking on support or showing support though- I think it’s interesting- not strictly relevant but interesting- speaking on politicians and not the public- Obama had about 90% approval peak with Democrats and about 15 low with republicans- and Trump has about 5 points higher with his own party- about 95% with republicans, and about 5 points lower, about 10% with democrats. So within the halls of politics they are both similar but mirrored in support- however with the general public which is about 47% Dem, 42% Rep and 11% other- Obama had both more support and higher approval, and won by both popular vote and electoral vote.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
To the subject of treatment- the most recent president to face impeachment other than the current was Bill Clinton. Now- it’s complicated and there are a million alleys to go down- but if we want to talk about which hunts and wastes of tax payer money- the Republican Party and government tied up investigators and judicial officials, politicians and resources and funds- investigating wether the president was unfit because he used his position to get a blow job from an office worker and compromised national security and the office by doing it. Oh- and lied about it.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
So like... a lot of people are still upset and still consider it corruption that Clinton kept the office... but like.... how does “get a blow job from an office worker and lie about it” stack up to “strong arm a foreign government to help you win an election” on the scale of national security and abuse of power? I’m just saying- the democrats were wasteful to pointlessly go after an impeachment they knew they wouldn’t get- but is investigating a crime that most people voting agree happened but just think isn’t worth impeachment a bigger waste or which hunt than trying to figure out who the president got a blow job from?
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famousone
· 4 years ago
Help win an election? And it's not a problem at all that the guy investigating waste of American aid and corruption in Ukraine was sacked because, by video admission, Biden said so?
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pripyatplatypus
· 4 years ago
Kennedy had the Bay of Pigs, Johnson ramped up Vietnam, and Nixon was impeached. Trump has such massive support in his own party that he is essentially immune from consequence, so any such "scrutiny" is really meaningless. He was right when he said he could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and nobody would care.
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famousone
· 4 years ago
Trump has... de-escalating North Korea, making China play ball, forcing NATO to consider paying their due, killing ISIS, crippling Iran's ability to sponsor terror, and laying the groundwork for peace in Iraq and Afghanistan. By God, he's pure evil.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
Pretty much. 95% of his party supports him and his party controls the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial. That isn’t hard math. And Kennedy still had higher approval ratings after Bay of pigs than the current president has had in his entire term. So that’s kinda sad.
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famousone
· 4 years ago
What's sad is that the Bay of Pigs wasn't followed through.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
But what of Joe Biden and his BS? Impeach Biden then. He’s not a standing president or Vice President. No one moved to impeach him on term for his actions. Joe Biden has nothing to do with Donald Trump any more than we could point at Churchill and ask why he got away with things a sitting PM can’t. But the same cast of characters that wanted to impeach Clinton for a blowie just let the current president slide on trying to use the office to pressure a foreign power into helping meddle in US politics.
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pripyatplatypus
· 4 years ago
You misunderstood what I meant. Trump is a moron who brags about everything, calls himself the smartest, coolest, most manly man in the world then proceeds to do about half of something and call it a win. And guess what? None of it matters! You guys won! You have successfully created a world where the president can do literally anything he wants, his own party will admit he does it, but there will be no consequences for it. The Republicans have hitched their wagon so thoroughly to Trump that there's literally nothing he can do to make them have any sort of substantive move against him. Congrats, bud.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
If you want to bring up Biden- sure. Try him and throw him in jail- but you can’t say in the same breath that Biden deserves punishment and not Trump. The fact one criminal escapes punishment isn’t a reason to let another one go red handed just to make things even. If you think Biden did wrong and deserves punished- you think the same of Trumo f Justice is what you are after and not just favoritism. Personally I’d see them both face trails and consequences. Personally I’d say neither should be able to run in 2020 until it was all over and done.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
I don’t have any skin in the game. Beyond empathy for other people- in my personal life- I’ve seen no direct harm or good from the term is Donald Trump that I’ve noticed. If I never saw the news or heard about politics- nothing in my world has changed in 5 years of note. My taxes are largely unchanged- I got a slightly smaller refund this year. My pay is unchanged beyond my usual raise which was about what it always is. Gas is up, always is. Rent is the same for me, blah blah.
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famousone
· 4 years ago
It ain't about punishing Biden, it's about making sure American aid dollars actually go to aid.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
So believe me when I say that from my own personal vantage point- I have no reason to care beyond caring about other people and a general and broad investment in the future of the country and society. Gun laws haven’t changed in any meaningful way for me, I don’t have a uterus and I’m a US citizen. I’m doing fine. I’m also not a democrat and I like Bernie Sanders but don’t think he’d be the best president.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
So my motivations and perspective have nothing to do with some allegiance to another party or to another candidate. I’m not here just bashing the guy because he did something that made my life less comfortable or caused me problems. I don’t like Joe Biden and won’t vote for him. It’s just an objective fact-
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guest_
· 4 years ago
Donald Trump is a president the majority of Americans and politicians- not looking at parties or anything- just numbers of people- didn’t want, don’t support, don’t approve of, and is highly polarizing. He’s a president that most people in the world don’t want to be our president. He is as I said- not like any other US president and we this reasonably- aren’t going to treat him like just any other president.
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