Gosh darnit, do you even know how many children this has killed since March? Based on media coverage, you'd think it was the deadliest thing to ever hit the US. According to statistics, however, 40, count 'em, 40 kids have died of COVID since March. It's basically harmless to anyone under the age of 60. Kids would be perfectly fine to return to school; the only ones who may be harmed are elderly teachers.
It is interesting that the CDC reports something so dramatically different... of course they are reporting by the thousands... not in tens so maybe that makes a difference?
Www [dot] cdc [dot] gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
“It’s basically harmless to anyone under 60”
Nevermind the thousands of deaths (of people under 60—granted they aren’t under 24), but
DEATH ISN’T THE ONLY OUTCOME.
There are new studies showing that even people that were asymptotic are showing long term neurological effects. CHILDREN are developing chronic inflammatory disease (that leads to organ dysfunction and failure).
Also, these meaningless people that are suffering and dying are important to someone.
Kids cease to exist when school's out? That's news to me. Funny enough, I could swear I still see some around neighborhoods, at stores and restaurants, or about town with their families. Guess not.
As if those locations are equivalent to the cesspool of sickness that is a school. This is a bad faith argument anyway neither of us will change our minds so I'm dippin back out cya
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@famousone good job strawmanning because you don’t have a cohesive argument. Kids existing in spaces where they’re not cramped up together in a small, poorly ventilated room is infinitely better than if it were the other way. Aren’t you supposed to be a medic? You should be smarter than this.
Yes, kids do in fact get infected by more lethal than Covid-19 on a seasonal basis.
You know what's even worse for kids? Losing out on months and years of education, socialization, and time away from home.
Let me start by saying that I sent my kid to school (rather than homeschooling) BECAUSE of the need for adequate and diverse socialization.
That said, I would so much rather he miss out on the socialization and the education than, die or spend his life coping with dialysis or neurological damage or breathing difficulties. Especially when those things could have been prevented.
Hope you're ready to keep that kid in a plastic tent, then. Make sure to triple check the air filters and oxygen supply, their safety guys aren't always on top of things.
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“Your kid might suffer life long inadequacies and disabilities from a disease prevented by simply staying at home?? Too bad, go to school” must be easy for you to say that when you don’t have children. Unfortunately, it’s not easy to send your kid to an infested building when they can be getting the same experience at home, minus the literal pandemic concerns of either death, months, if not years of side effects, and permanent depletion of lung capacity
You mean you want to avoid the risk and complications of practically every sickness to ever spread through a school.
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My dude???? I know you’re not this dense. No common illness has the side effects of what corona currently has. If something like measles is in the school, you know what they do? They don’t do anything, because there’s a vaccine for it. There isn’t a vaccine for corona! There is no cure yet! That’s the problem man! There’s people who have been clear of it for months, and they still have flu like symptoms! Please, for the love of god just try to empathize and think about the bigger picture instead of trying to force families to send their children to collect a virus, bring it back to their house, and infect their whole family out of work, quality of life, and possibly into death. These are people, they matter even if you don’t personally know them. Grow. Up.
No @famousone. We are listing to the CDC, the WHO and medical professionals who are actively fighting this. My brother-in-law is on a COVID team in Boston. My mother is a nurse in S Florida, my neighbor is a nurse (here in the middle of no where). These professionals have actual on the ground experience with the disease.
This isn’t political. You say we are giving into the fearmongering, but I’m not consuming news media (I actively avoid it because it’s full of the kind of sludge you’re pushing right now). I’m listening to first hand experience from friends and relatives. You’re giving into the media that is making this about politics, rights and economy. It is not. It is about public safety.
My kid doesn’t live in a bubble. Hell, he’s on a first name basis with the ER staff... you’re right, safety has a trade off. He’s a healthy, active kid—he is unlikely to die from this. But, DEATH IS NOT THE ONLY OUTCOME. Keep your politics off my kid.
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@famousone you know it’s totally fucked when you think keeping your children and your family safe from a life altering illness is buying into fear mongering. Fuck off dude, this isn’t about politics.
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@famousone you know it’s totally fucked when you think keeping your children and your family safe from a life altering illness is buying into fear mongering. Fuck off dude, this isn’t about politics.
And if you think it isn't about rights or politics, I got news for you. Everything is about politics. This especially is about rights.
"Public safety" has always been a convenient excuse to take from and hurt people.
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Wear a mask Karen. I don’t think kids are going to mind homeschooling too much. No one is taking away your freedom, but many people are taking away others lives by not being responsible. Educate yourself.
Kids are really going to mind when they starve because mom and dad can't go to work, and if they make it through that they'll really hate being socially retarded.
And they are threatening liberty. You really want to save lives? Why did you never want these measures taken in the countless flu seasons or cold seasons that hurt and kill far more people? Why not advocate for banning cars, pools, curbs, sharp edges, and the countless things that kill and cripple far more people?
Remember, the numbers are drastically overblown, and they still aren't particularly bad.
We aren’t talking about isolation forever. Kids can still stay connected, and they will be okay when it is safer to return. (They will be a lot more socially retarded if their brain function is damaged)
In the US, in all of 2019, the flu killed fewer people than COVID has in the first half of 2020 (and these numbers are reported in the same fashion, so the relationship matters).
The flu has a vaccine. COVID does not.
The flu doesn’t have the same level of long term side effects (organ dysfunction and failure, lung disability, other neurological defects). And it is important to note that these side effects are also being reported regarding individuals that were asymptomatic during the infection. So, that’s your healthy individuals that are not being impacted by the disease (that are being impacted by the disease, long term).
As for hungry kids, how is going to be better if their parents can’t work because they are sick?
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@famousone kids are going to starve because they brought home a disease that affects their parents age group, and now their parents are in the hospital on a respirator. I doubt you complain that “der takin our libertyyy “ when a restaurant says “no shoes no service”. It’s common decency. It’s like the shopping cart theory: the shitty people in society will leave their cart because there’s no law telling them to put it away, while decent people will put it away because it’s what’s right, not because they’re forced to. Wearing a mask and considering other people’s lives is what people who are decent do. Forcing schools to stay open just because there’s no law making them stay closed is selfish, and it will only cause more debt, more job loss, more sickness, and more death
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It doesn’t matter that “hrrr dhrr the numbers aren’t as bad”, because each of those numbers is a human life that was snuffed out by irresponsibility of the handling of this pandemic.
Seeing as how the narrative went from "flatten the curve" to "wait it out", we are talking forever. Covid will mutate, come back year after year, maybe be deliberately engineered or spread, or s simply not go away. Even your flu virus is just a guess.
And you can take those other conditions with a grain of salt, they are nothing unique to Covid, and only look so bad because they are only reporting few that are infected, and the fewer that are hospitalized, and mucking up the numbers for maximum panic.
Respirators are contraindicated in the vast majority of even the few cases that require hospitalization, they do more harm than good.
Restaurants can't imprison, batter, or kill people.
There is little evidence that masks aren't in fact doing more harm than good, and there is mounting evidence that Covid is airborne, meaning that the masks may well be useless at best.
People get sick, people die, and even the Covid deaths are artificially inflated from counting flu, cold, pneumonia,
cancer, and fucking gunshot deaths as covid deaths.
There is no way that letting people go to work and live their lives in spite a virus less concerning than seasonal flu is going to do anything but mend the damage caused by your irrational behaviors and counterproductive measures.
The response is entirely disproportionate, we are well passed the point of of accepting that this bug is not special and the panic is hurting far more than it helps, much like the masks are.
"And it's also -- the nice part is, we have four companies -- I guess you could even say seven or eight companies -- that are doing, some similar and some very different, on the vaccine front, and some similar and some somewhat different on the therapeutic front."
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Diagram this sentence. I dare you.
"Our body was so powerful that we could actually close our country, save millions of lives, stop people very early on from China from coming in -- because we stopped early, at the end of January, very early, people coming from China who were infected coming into our country."
"They knew it was a problem. But they didn't stop it cold from coming to the United States, Europe and the rest of the world. Somebody has to ask these questions, and we'll get down to the answer."
"People are -- people are driving. I may have to buy one of those things; drive around town. Maybe I'll drive back to New York with our first lady in a trailer."
"Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country, and ever expanding."
"With smaller testing we would show fewer cases!"
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Sounds like the strewn together words of a second grader who only got to second grade after his mommy threatened a lawsuit
Www [dot] cdc [dot] gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
Nevermind the thousands of deaths (of people under 60—granted they aren’t under 24), but
DEATH ISN’T THE ONLY OUTCOME.
There are new studies showing that even people that were asymptotic are showing long term neurological effects. CHILDREN are developing chronic inflammatory disease (that leads to organ dysfunction and failure).
Also, these meaningless people that are suffering and dying are important to someone.
You know what's even worse for kids? Losing out on months and years of education, socialization, and time away from home.
That said, I would so much rather he miss out on the socialization and the education than, die or spend his life coping with dialysis or neurological damage or breathing difficulties. Especially when those things could have been prevented.
This isn’t political. You say we are giving into the fearmongering, but I’m not consuming news media (I actively avoid it because it’s full of the kind of sludge you’re pushing right now). I’m listening to first hand experience from friends and relatives. You’re giving into the media that is making this about politics, rights and economy. It is not. It is about public safety.
My kid doesn’t live in a bubble. Hell, he’s on a first name basis with the ER staff... you’re right, safety has a trade off. He’s a healthy, active kid—he is unlikely to die from this. But, DEATH IS NOT THE ONLY OUTCOME. Keep your politics off my kid.
"Public safety" has always been a convenient excuse to take from and hurt people.
And they are threatening liberty. You really want to save lives? Why did you never want these measures taken in the countless flu seasons or cold seasons that hurt and kill far more people? Why not advocate for banning cars, pools, curbs, sharp edges, and the countless things that kill and cripple far more people?
Remember, the numbers are drastically overblown, and they still aren't particularly bad.
In the US, in all of 2019, the flu killed fewer people than COVID has in the first half of 2020 (and these numbers are reported in the same fashion, so the relationship matters).
The flu has a vaccine. COVID does not.
The flu doesn’t have the same level of long term side effects (organ dysfunction and failure, lung disability, other neurological defects). And it is important to note that these side effects are also being reported regarding individuals that were asymptomatic during the infection. So, that’s your healthy individuals that are not being impacted by the disease (that are being impacted by the disease, long term).
As for hungry kids, how is going to be better if their parents can’t work because they are sick?
And you can take those other conditions with a grain of salt, they are nothing unique to Covid, and only look so bad because they are only reporting few that are infected, and the fewer that are hospitalized, and mucking up the numbers for maximum panic.
Respirators are contraindicated in the vast majority of even the few cases that require hospitalization, they do more harm than good.
Restaurants can't imprison, batter, or kill people.
There is little evidence that masks aren't in fact doing more harm than good, and there is mounting evidence that Covid is airborne, meaning that the masks may well be useless at best.
People get sick, people die, and even the Covid deaths are artificially inflated from counting flu, cold, pneumonia,
There is no way that letting people go to work and live their lives in spite a virus less concerning than seasonal flu is going to do anything but mend the damage caused by your irrational behaviors and counterproductive measures.
The response is entirely disproportionate, we are well passed the point of of accepting that this bug is not special and the panic is hurting far more than it helps, much like the masks are.
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Diagram this sentence. I dare you.
"With smaller testing we would show fewer cases!"