I’m liberal, and I generally agree with this post, but the context is everything. I think mandating masks and vaccinations isn’t an infringement on “personal rights” because someone’s decision to not wear a mask or get vaccinated can and does have adverse effects on others. It’s like second hand smoking, where a smoker’s actions adversely affect me and those in the community. But read it from a stance on abortion. I might be pro-life but wouldn’t agree with legislation to prohibit women from getting abortions, even though I don’t personally agree with it, because that’s their protected right to do so. Or not do so.
The crux of it all is this: your rights end where they infringe upon mine, and visa versa.
Therein lies the problem. Part of what determines the context around an issue is precisely people's understanding of it. Suppose we have a criminal case where the Defendant is accused of murder. The defense can try to argue for self defense, but whether or not the jury understands it as self defense will determine the outcome of the case. If it turns out that the jury holds a belief in "reasonable reactions" and deem the Defendant's reactions as extreme, then they won't accept the self defense argument as valid, even if the supposed victim attacked the Defendant first. On the other hand, if the jury decides that the Defendant has the full entitlement to the right of life, then barring exceptional circumstances, the Defendant will be cleared of the worst of the charges.
From what I could gather from some discussions, the crux of the vaccination matter is this. Some people are willing to accept mandates because they genuinely believe in keeping everyone's health out of harm's way. But others see a different light to the mandates, something they think far outweighs the "lofty" ideals of perfect public health.
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Don't get me wrong, most people on both sides would not try to consciously endanger those around them. But for the people who oppose the mandates, they're focusing on how this government, and others, have been reacting. South Australia has authorized police to forcibly quarantine people without needing to show their identification or papers. Consider how people might feel if they cannot question the people detaining them. For the people I've talked to, this is what they see. They're afraid of that slippery slope, and they use that context to inform their decisions.
tl;dr: We must mandate vaccines (that aren't FDA approved) to prevent the unvaccinated from infecting vaccinated people because the vaccine isn't effective.
Hunk-o-junk is living up to his moniker with that statement. They were authorized by the FDA for emergency use and are likely the most heavily studied vaccines on the planet. Hell, when the polio vaccine came out Salk didn't know if it would give people polio so he used it on his own children first! "getting" covid isn't the issue. Getting severe or deadly covid is (which the vaccine prevents). At this point though we are only killing stupid people. So I agree, no more masks, no more mandates, kill em all. We aren't losing any nobel prize winners.
According to the people that created the vaccines in the first place, the vaccinated are actually the super spreaders and the most dangerous and the masks never worked in the first place except when they did except when they didn't except when they dididntdididntdididnt and this is the narrative that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started spinning it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue spinning it forever just because
The crux of it all is this: your rights end where they infringe upon mine, and visa versa.
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Don't get me wrong, most people on both sides would not try to consciously endanger those around them. But for the people who oppose the mandates, they're focusing on how this government, and others, have been reacting. South Australia has authorized police to forcibly quarantine people without needing to show their identification or papers. Consider how people might feel if they cannot question the people detaining them. For the people I've talked to, this is what they see. They're afraid of that slippery slope, and they use that context to inform their decisions.