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shurikkaru
· 2 years ago
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This is a really rough take. I get it, there are some points here, but the subject matter is just unapproachable. Nobody should be into kids. And we shouldn’t have to pander to people who are
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nicengelman
· 2 years ago
I think the bigger problem would be, how do you distinguish between the fake stuff and the real thing? Not to mention that there are always people that would be willing to shell out more for stuff that was confirmed real. It's like ivory, there's plenty of ways to fake ivory, but rich people always want the real thing.
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guest_
· 2 years ago
So, I want to ignore discussion of the ethics surrounding the idea for right now in this post. Where is the data to support this claim which doesn’t intuitively hood water? The internet has brought about a near endless stream of free and legal pornography accessible almost anywhere anytime. The number of people still selling porn, making “revenge” porn or committing assault by filming those who are unaware for promo graphic purposes, as well as the number of people who will expose themselves or provide porn simply because they like to is staggering. Comparing child porn to what we know about adult porn- there’s nothing to suggest that making porn more available decreases the willing or unwilling participants. One can say it is different because child porn is illegal- but “straight” porn has been illegal in history and still in parts of the world. “Gay” porn has been even more historically and even presently illegal and we don’t see the trends suggested when looking at historical…
guest_
· 2 years ago
.. even recently historical examples. We can’t compare porn to something like the drug trade where we have evidence to suggest legality and regulation can reduce crime because plain and simple, people don’t produce drugs because they have a kink or are sick. Porn can be lucrative but it is also something people make because they are just into it. There are some functional drug users who produce because they use- but that doesn’t prove an exception- it just shows what we already know from evidence- that those who like child porn can also be producers simply because it is a product they enjoy and not because they are fundamentally trying to make money. One of the biggest child porn busts in history was of a network where users posted all the content and were awarded access to more content by posting “fresh” videos or pictures that were verified as unique in the site.
guest_
· 2 years ago
Before the internet “trading” or otherwise exchanging material was one way that child porn viewers gained access. Not every person that looks at child porn has molested a child, but there is a statistical correlation that if a person is sexually attracted to children and has access and opportunity that they are more likely to act on those urges and harm a child with their sickness than just someone randomly deciding despite no erotic interest in children that they are going to do such a thing. Much the same as an adult couple may take pictures or video of sexual encounters to remember it later or for the thrill of documentation or for some “collection”, the same behaviors can exist in child molesters. Based on historical and intuitive evidence I question the conclusion that access to free material would have any appreciable impact on the number of child victims in such pornography, and for what any good it might do could be argued to be offset in the complications to investigating or…
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guest_
· 2 years ago
.. prosecuting such crimes as well as in serving to possibly act towards normalizing the concept in the public mind. We know that animation has existed for longer than any human alive right now and computer animation has been around for some time. If it were such a simple matter as appeasing the urges for child porn via simulated children then there wouldnt be an issue as child porn could have already been replaced entirely by digital or traditional animation. To the point, in many countries such animation has the capability to exploit law and allow the production of imagery and stories that would be illegal using humans but can skirt the law either because animation is treated the same since it isn’t real” or because you can draw or animate a character that is any appearance you want and say their age is anything you want.
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guest_
· 2 years ago
You can create a sci fi or fantasy where an alien race appears to us like a child but is thousands of years old (and thus certainly the age of consent..) you can exploit loopholes where an adult character can shape change. There are any number of fucking ways a sicko can get around the law through animation etc- but we still have children being exploited. The concept should be patently stupid, no offense to the writer- but it’s stupid to consider because even in “straight” porn where traditional animation and CGI like hentai and other medium exist, they haven’t supplanted live human actors. Even considering that using animation and CG graphics can create impossible human forms, acts, all manner of fantastic scenarios to appease any fetish or preference or impossible desire can be animated- and people on the whole still largely prefer real humans in their porn.
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guest_
· 2 years ago
There is no evidence to suggest that those who watch child porn on the whole would give up live humans for animation of any sort because if that were the case they already could have. Let me be very clear, there isn’t just one child predator. As many niches and kinks and preferences exist in adult sex exist in the mind of the child predator. Just like for adults with other adults sex can be about power, aspects of the fantasy can involve holding power over the other or “rape fantasies,” so too can the child predator have such preferences. The person that is out there diddling fucking live babies on a camera is usually not just there for a paycheck. The person operating the web service or facilitating transfers of materials or looking the other way might be- but the one doing it is 99% doing it because they are into it. This isn’t gay porn where straight actors grit their teeth for the paycheck. The lowest druggies and most desperate souls might lower themselves to make kiddie porn...
guest_
· 2 years ago
.. the true blue sociopath etc. that sees “free money” might do it. By and large the people making this stuff are mixing work and pleasure. Those people that do it for the jollies aren’t going to roll back to the basement and hunch up over some 3D AI made film because now they can get it easy without the danger. Fuck man, do you know anything about human sexuality? For some people if it isn’t in part about the control or the power it’s in part about the danger or the fact it’s fuxkimg sick. Never met someone who liked doing legal consenting kink just because it was “wrong” or “taboo” or it was tied up in some “shame”? People are twisted up when it comes to sex and there has never really been very much success in the “ethically sourced” movement for sex. People are all too fine watching women being exploited. Entire sites and internet empires exist off videos of guys going to “poor” areas and engaging in exploitive paid sex tourism- often with questionably aged performers or ones…
guest_
· 2 years ago
.. clearly being coerced or drugged out of their minds. There isn’t some magic fix. If it was so simple to make that substitution- and the business turns on so much money- why aren’t their a line of “little people” porn performers 200 miles long to cash in on playing kids? I’ll tell you why- in large part because many don’t want anything to do with the entire sick business and are wholly aware- even haunted in their love lives, by the fact that they may be compared to or mistaken for children. Of course not all people who could pass for kids would want to do porn at all right? Not every attractive man or woman is interested in porn just because they could do it or make money right? But finally it’s because the market isn’t there. Here is a potentially legal alternative and there aren’t enough people who will pay money. To be clear there are “little people” porn performers and some make lots of cash because for those who are looking for it, it’s not the most common thing to find. But-
guest_
· 2 years ago
The point is of all the existing or long existing possible alternatives to some idea of “ethical” child porn fix- none have ever really taken a significant bite out of the exploitation of children- because here’s the thing… again- not all people who are attracted to kids are the same. Not all- probably most- don’t molest children. Some percentage would probably never actually act on their impulses. Lots of “straight” people look at same sex porn or find elements erotic but feel some shame or other factors and they don’t act on them and likely never would. A lot of people turned on by kids actually do use “alternatives.” Australia and other countries go so far as to stipulate an actor/actress can’t be made to seem underage- this broad wording means that if they suspect you’re trying to pass porn off in a way that an adult looks underage- they can seek legal action. These laws have brought much talk of bias since petite women could be said to look underdeveloped or underage. The response
guest_
· 2 years ago
Is largely to the fact that those who have attraction to the underage but seriously fear legal or social repercussions or simply are self disgusted or self possessed morally to the point they won’t participate in the consumption of child images, will often seek legal adult pornography that allows them to have a similar experience. I’m again, not commenting on the morality of that- but I am going to say that strongly suggests the majority of people who’s shame or morals or caution overide their predilection are already using alternatives to “real child” performers. What is left is largely those who have such strong compulsion or preference or specific affliction that they don’t want to accept an alternative.
guest_
· 2 years ago
So to sum up and conclude- without discussing the morality of the issue in depth, we don’t have any data to support the idea that this would in any way cause more help than harm. Moreover, a casual look at precedent and habits suggests that no matter how well intentioned this approach does not have much support as a practical measure. Produce data showing some sort of support for the concept and that could be discussed, but as it stands I am rejecting the premise outright as a foolish and likely harmful errand.