see i’m pro gun and i’m absolutely i favor of this. it’s like driving a car; there’s layers of responsibility on the part of the vehicle owner and society as a whole to establish rules and a system to support their use. in the case of firearms, a federalized set of regulations, enforced background checks, red flag laws, mandatory reporting of arrests and charges by federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, required standardized firearms safety training and publicly funded and accessible mental health care that reports if an individual is a mental health risk is all necessary if we are to support the 2nd amendment… it sure would be nice, anyway. might make going to school a little safer for my kids. who knows.
Yeah pro I'm pro gun too.. couple in my cabinet. The 2nd amendment was for single shot muzzle loaders. Not for semi auto large capacity magazine kill everyone in multiple room riffles.
There has literally never been such a society, in the entire history of earth; and if there ever was, it was destroyed by one more commensurate to today's society and all records of its existence erased.
Indeed. I don’t fault the sentiment of this saying- although anyone acquainted with crimes and horrible acts could tell plenty of stories about people who seemingly had everything from love to looks or financial well being or success and more. It’s a broad question if some people are just “destined to be bad” or just some people can be “set off” in certain ways etc- but there is a fallacy that criminals and killers and such come from broken homes. Even in many cases where criminals or shooters have been socially isolated etc. the home lives are often fine and contributing factors are often self inflicted or the result of persecution syndrome or self outsider status etc. regardless it is a myth that people from happy homes don’t do bad things or people from unhappy homes are predisposed to anti social behaviors.
I don’t really see a real and compelling downside to creating a loving and supportive healthy society- it probably wouldn’t cause more crimes if nothing else. With all that said though- these sorts of sentiments ignore something kinda important. Inertia.
Even if we flipped a switch and society started raising every kid in such a home and offering such an environment in every home… what of the people who are already scarred by their time before the change? If all it took to stop a person from shooting up a park was to give them the hugs they were denied for 17,22,40 whatever years- we probably wouldn’t have the issues we do would we? Love doesn’t make depression and trauma vanish. The spouse to the soldier returning from combat with mental scars or the parent of the suicidal teen or the lives one of the bipolar- yes, support is generally better than none and generally helps people adjust, but they will have bad days and they may never be “back to normal” as they once were in your mind. It isn’t your fault and loving them or supporting them harder won’t “cure them.”
The same can be said of personality issues. The woman hating incel may slowly get past their hateful thinking and actions if they spend enough time in fulfilling relationships or have enough emotional or physical intimacy. Or they might not. They may never be able to completely trust or respect a woman right? So there are older kids and young adults and older adults who grew up in an unkind world and carry that baggage. You may not be able to “undo” the negative impact of those things on them.
And of course- it ignores underlying realities of generational issues like generational poverty or cyclical abuse. Often times parents or care givers to children don’t know a better way. Many people can overcome this if someone opens their eyes to it and they work and study to do better- or each generation might do slightly better than the last so that abuse etc. is less extreme. That said- some people just… is “can’t” the word? Maybe. Maybe not. They won’t. That’s the reality. Wether it is a fundamental inability or lack of interest or other factors or anything else- at the end of the day so many people just won’t. Some percent of people will intentionally not do better. They won’t believe in the ideology or philosophy or methodology etc. they will want to stay with what they know. They believe that is the best way.
So the concept that we just “be nice” isn’t exactly realistic. If it worked, and if it was widely adopted, you’d still need 30,60,90 years to have society free of all the people born before the new way and carrying the old baggage. If any number of them pass trauma of some degree to the younger generations through the old ways, then we start to need centuries or more to be clear of the old ways.
Now to your original point- most true. The basic lessons of the emotionally and morally healthy child are classically things like sharing, dealing with disappointment and not being over competitive or aggressive. Patience, kindness, respect, thinking of others… but… are these the traits exhibited by the wealthiest and most successful people in the world? Not generally. When and if they behave such ways it is often tactical- it is done to serve their social position or goals. Elon Musk and Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos and so forth do not sacrifice their business to allow others to have a fair chance. They wait when it suits them and push when it is tactically prudent. Elon Must doesn't give a shit about your feelings if he needs a product delivered in a month and you’re sad or tired or whatever. He will push you to do what he needs and consider what you need later if at all.
The loyalty of the successful and powerful is generally conditional and fluid. It follows their interests and what they deem prudent for their own goals. So these sorts of morals are morals of poverty. Things we teach kids that ultimately adults rarely follow as we would instruct kids to- because the adult world is competitive. There is always someone better, always someone willing to do more or to go farther or to sacrifice more.
My point isn’t that is how it should be or that I think that is good- my point is that is how it is. That is how it always has been, that is likely how it always will be.
Rules are made by the people with the power to make rules and those rules tend to benefit the people who make them because that is human nature. It’s why democracy grew wings. If you have a world fan entirely by despotism- a singular ruler with total control- if that ruler is just and wise and near perfect the world will likely be that way too- at least for most people most of the time. One day we all die. If the “perfect” ruler dies the next mag not be perfect. It only takes one Donald Trump to successfully steal an election once and then Donald trump is your president for the rest of his life wether you want that or not. Than his kids after him or whoever he says or whoever fills the vacuum.
You can’t have “perfect” every time all the time. So in a world without people who can and will stop bad people- you will have bad people. Bad people will be born or made. Always. People who want more than they have. People who won’t follow your rules no matter how “right” they are or how beneficially they are to society. We have people who won’t call someone “him” to possibly help avoid a suicide- so don’t expect people to go too far out of their way to care about others if it requires they do even the smallest thing.
My point isn’t that is how it should be or that I think that is good- my point is that is how it is. That is how it always has been, that is likely how it always will be.