Maybe the homeless guy is a Veteran who is disabled due to serving our country and not able to work. Or maybe the neighbor can offer him the chance to do the work and he may take you up on it. Did you try that or too busy judging someone when you don't know the person's story?
Though if the homeless man really did approach the man asking for work, he would most likely be called dirty hobo and turned away in the first place, so it's not always that simple.
My father once offered a homeless man $50 to shovel our sidewalk. He refused. Not two seconds after we walked away someone gave him a dollar. If everyone just keeps getting handouts from the government or "rich" people they won't be motivated to work and now those of us who do work are forced to give them our money that they didn't earn.
They do. And there are many people with some disability that prevents them from working. But there are also drug-addicted lazy assholes who choose not to get a job and collect welfare instead. I get it; both types of people exist. I don't have a magic solution to getting money to the former and not the latter. If you do, I encourage you to run for President and implement it.
I've got a solution for you, hemlock. Give your own money, start a charity. I believe in you! You can be a good person if you try! You don't have to get to government to steal other people's money to ease you conscious. Not when you can ask for money peacefully yourself! The results will be much better too!
Please tell me we aren't arguing that welfare is a form of stealing. It's a national safety net. Think of it like insurance. Everyone (ideally) pays in, and if you're lucky enough not to need it, that's great, but it's there when you do.
Now try to imagine there was no safety net. Take all those people that are out on the street, whether or not it's their own doing or just bad luck. I hope I don't have to point out how society crumbles at that point.
P.S. Gotta love the fact that the guy playing "spot the liberal" is also the object of the FS pasttime "spot the homophobe". And am I the only one that finds it HILARIOUS that Republicans these days are LOATHE to give to the less fortunate, when they are predominately Christian? They never seem to make that decision even though it's the right thing to do, God wants them to, the Bible says so, etc, but I can find a reason to be charitable (through govt as well as myself) for partially selfish reasons, like not wanting every bum on the
street trying to break into my house to steal my shit, or rob me on the street, or steal my food before I can even bring it in the house. And keep in mind this is coming from someone who lives in a US city where crime, especially violent crime, is way above average. Maybe you live somewhere where it's not that big a deal yet, but it can only get worse, even if welfare stays in place, and it's the income gap that gets worse. That's another thing, and it's only been widening my entire life, with no end in sight. I don't want to imagine this country without a middle class.
I'm actually arguing that all forms of taxation are theft.
taxes=taking money by force
theft=taking money by force
therefore taxation=theft
I do believe we need a social safety net. I'm just against the use of force to do it, legally and socially condoned force or not. Theft is immoral no matter what you call it. I don't believe that we should base one of the most compassionate institutions a society can have on force, it taints the entire system.
Furthermore we KNOW that people would put enough money into private forms of welfare because we live in a democracy of people that voted for a social safety net. The private way is always better than the public way because at any moment people can withdraw their consent and money from a bad actor and put it towards someone doing a better job. We can't do that in a public system and it leads to a lot of the problems we see today in the public welfare system.
Private charity also has the added benefit of not falling on its face when bitchy politicians get in cat fights like teenage girls and stop sending out checks. I deeply fear what is going to happen to our world when our governments run out of money and decide that instead of not wasting our tax dollars on bullshit they just stop sending social security checks.
Actually scratch that teenage girls have more mature fights than politicians. I apologize to teenage girls everywhere for that statement.
Paying taxes is ENforced, just like any other law. You are already reaping the benefits of your taxes, just look around you at the schools, infrastructure, fire dept, etc., so if you don't pay, YOU'd be the thief.
Not to mention that every individual can't pick and choose where they want all of their taxes to go, can you imagine how much shittier the school system would get if that were the case, for example?
The system we have now is FAR from perfect, and waaay to complex and full of loopholes for the benefit of big business and the super-rich, but it's still the better alternative of these two.
Besides, if people cared as much as they say they do, they'd pay attention to the politicians and how they're doing their job, especially when it comes to the use of tax revenue, and give them the boot when election season comes. Sadly, that hasn't happened yet, and most people continue to vote "their" party while thinking that by complaining later down the road, they aren't responsible.
I've apologized for my past comments. And this "national safety net" is a great idea, sure, but the government doesn't (or at least shouldn't) have the right to force us to contribute to this safety net. Now should we be able to use the safety net if we don't contribute? Of course not.
Err. What EXACTLY is the difference between force and ENfored?
What do you mean I'd be a thief if I used the fire department without paying taxes? That an odd principle. So what your saying is that a good or service can be provided, without the customer consenting, and then that customer HAS to pay for that good or service or they're stealing? So I can drop off a shiny new ferrari in my neighbors drive way and just charge him for it? That's ridiculous. So why do people in the government get to do it? You've got to stay consistent. We are all persons. It doesn't matter if we have a nice suit, a shiny badge, or sweet sash. We are all bound to the same moral principles and should be bound by the same legal rules. That's what equality under the law means. It means that no matter who you are you can only do what your fellow persons can do. Its insane to say everyone can tax at will. Therefore no one can tax at all. Because we are all equal right?
Dude, what country do you live in? Look I don't know how its handled where you're from but in good ol 'Merica schools are paid by property tax. Its not like all the money is taken into a big pot and distributed equally. What happens is that each school district takes the money from their district and gives it out to the schools in their district. Now we know what poor areas are generally near poor areas and the same goes for rich areas. Now remember property taxes are based on the value of the property. So unless some odd geography happens or some weird district border jiggering goes on people generally pay into schools of their social economic class. That means rich kids get more money and poor kids get less. The good teachers go to the rich schools and to shit teachers cant get hired anywhere but the poor schools. One could not DESIGN a worse system!
Now tell me, you care about the poor right? Have you ever heard someone say no? Rare isn't it. Even poor people give. CONT
We have over half a population of voters that voted for welfare! People really care about the poor! Can you honestly tell me that you don't think poor schools wouldn't get more than enough funding, better teachers, and far more efficient use of the limited resources they have? Because if you tell me they wont get enough funding then you're also telling me that democracy is a sham and that the state is enforcing a gigantic money sucking welfare state that nobody wants. Because people are assholes. Who hate the poor. Especially poor children.
I agree with you jjohnson21 but I still think people should be able to use it even if they don't contribute. Its almost the point of having it actually. I certainly wouldn't mind paying a little bit more on my social safety net bill for people that can't for don't afford it. People make mistakes, it happens. I think we as a society can help out even stupid people who decide not to contribute and then fall to ruin.
Well whether or not somebody can use it or not is another topic, the point is nobody has the moral right to make me pay taxes whatsoever. As far as America goes, ALL income, and property tax is unconstitutional. The only tax that should exist is sales tax, and that should be higher to make up for the difference of not having income tax, that way when times are tough it would be easier for the cite zebra to control how much money they keep. The government has no right to take anybody's money. End of storyo
Most voters under the conservative candiate are in the middle/working class check your facts. The upper class is split between both parties pretry evenly actually
Now try to imagine there was no safety net. Take all those people that are out on the street, whether or not it's their own doing or just bad luck. I hope I don't have to point out how society crumbles at that point.
P.S. Gotta love the fact that the guy playing "spot the liberal" is also the object of the FS pasttime "spot the homophobe". And am I the only one that finds it HILARIOUS that Republicans these days are LOATHE to give to the less fortunate, when they are predominately Christian? They never seem to make that decision even though it's the right thing to do, God wants them to, the Bible says so, etc, but I can find a reason to be charitable (through govt as well as myself) for partially selfish reasons, like not wanting every bum on the
taxes=taking money by force
theft=taking money by force
therefore taxation=theft
I do believe we need a social safety net. I'm just against the use of force to do it, legally and socially condoned force or not. Theft is immoral no matter what you call it. I don't believe that we should base one of the most compassionate institutions a society can have on force, it taints the entire system.
Furthermore we KNOW that people would put enough money into private forms of welfare because we live in a democracy of people that voted for a social safety net. The private way is always better than the public way because at any moment people can withdraw their consent and money from a bad actor and put it towards someone doing a better job. We can't do that in a public system and it leads to a lot of the problems we see today in the public welfare system.
Actually scratch that teenage girls have more mature fights than politicians. I apologize to teenage girls everywhere for that statement.
Not to mention that every individual can't pick and choose where they want all of their taxes to go, can you imagine how much shittier the school system would get if that were the case, for example?
The system we have now is FAR from perfect, and waaay to complex and full of loopholes for the benefit of big business and the super-rich, but it's still the better alternative of these two.
Besides, if people cared as much as they say they do, they'd pay attention to the politicians and how they're doing their job, especially when it comes to the use of tax revenue, and give them the boot when election season comes. Sadly, that hasn't happened yet, and most people continue to vote "their" party while thinking that by complaining later down the road, they aren't responsible.
What do you mean I'd be a thief if I used the fire department without paying taxes? That an odd principle. So what your saying is that a good or service can be provided, without the customer consenting, and then that customer HAS to pay for that good or service or they're stealing? So I can drop off a shiny new ferrari in my neighbors drive way and just charge him for it? That's ridiculous. So why do people in the government get to do it? You've got to stay consistent. We are all persons. It doesn't matter if we have a nice suit, a shiny badge, or sweet sash. We are all bound to the same moral principles and should be bound by the same legal rules. That's what equality under the law means. It means that no matter who you are you can only do what your fellow persons can do. Its insane to say everyone can tax at will. Therefore no one can tax at all. Because we are all equal right?
Now tell me, you care about the poor right? Have you ever heard someone say no? Rare isn't it. Even poor people give. CONT