I disagee on this just because of the cigarettes. If someone wants to slowly kill themselves, okay, your choice, but don't drag me down with you and infringe on my decision not to smoke by blowing it all around me. It pisses me off. Someone invent smoker helmets.
I agree with you on that one, and I'm a smoker. I don't smoke if I'm with non smokers. I'm very carefull not to smoke around children or in crouded places. It's my bad habbit, and I don't want to bother others with it. I allso think other smokers should consider other people more.
right on dude that's how I am even with a vaporizer I've been using a vaporizer to help me quit
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Also the guns you can't say "Don't want to get killed with a gun: Don't let someone kill you" that's the only thing (except for cigarettes because second hand smoke) that I can really say isn't particularly true.
The only ones I don't approve of are smoking and drugs. I'll still be your friend if you do them, but you should know how harmful they are and I'll try to convince you to stop. I lost a beloved cousin to drugs and alcohol. I don't want to lose anyone else
Don't like Muslims? Don't convert.
Don't like children? Don't have them.
Don't like traffic? Don't drive.
Don't like the weather? Don't go outside.
Don't like chocolate? Don't eat it.
Don't like complaints? Don't complain.
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I don't dislike all Muslims but just saying some Muslims kill ppl as part of their religion. Literally to them the purpose of their life is to end as many non-Muslim lives as possible.
Drugs- If you do them and you're just that dumb it's natural selection at
play. When you kill a little kid by driving when high or drunk then there is a problem!
People have a right to protest against what they think is wrong. Practice what you preach, if you think you are right, protest against others who think they're wrong. But you should damn well expect that they're going to do the same to you. And that doesn't make what they're doing wrong either.
So much hate for abortion/drugs/smoking, but no comment about the guns? That's the one stands out most for me, because not buying one doesn't make me any less likely to get shot. I need *you* not to buy one for that.
Guns do not cause harm to anyone unless the person using it does something stupid. It is literally and physically impossible to use/have an abortion/drugs/smoking. No matter what it harms someone.
Ironically, if you don't want to get shot you should want everyone *to* buy guns. Populations with higher gun ownership/carrying have less gun violence because no one wants to pull a gun on a stranger who is/might be also armed or in the presence of bystanders who are/might be armed. When no one has guns, though, the criminals will have guns.
Guest, you have to consider a foetus a person to conclude that abortions inevitably harm someone, which isn't a foregone conclusion for many people. And why is it literally impossible to take drugs without harm? What about caffeine? Or sugar?
And Wind sorry, but I don't think that's ironic, I think it's wrong and America's soaring per-capita rate of gun injury bears me out. It might be the case that guns don't kill people, but you can't stop people being scared/aggressive/stupid. What you can do is stop putting weapons in the hands of scared/aggressive people, and watch the violent crime statistics tumble. Like they did in Australia and elsewhere (where the same arguments were raised).
No, it's still ironic. Disagreeing with it (which is fine, we all get opinions) doesn't change the fact that there is an incongruency between your statement and mine.
And it *is* possible. Go check out Swizterland. I'll admit that starting off by handing everyone a gun on their eighteenth birthday is a *terrible* idea, but the fact remains that removing guns from the equation isn't the only viable solution. Just like with abortion—or, hell, any of these issues—proper education would allow everyone to maintain their rights and not force some to give up their freedom to choose because of the few who fuck it up.
There will *always* be people who fuck it up, but that is life and human nature. Why should the rest if us have to be punished for mistakes we didn't make even when we had the chance to?
In addition, here are some fun facts for consideration:
The US murder rate has dropped dramatically since 1980 and in 2008 alone, only 8% of violent crimes involved the criminal with a gun.
There were almost a million incidents of citizen defense with a gun in 2000, and in 1994 half that many people used a gun to successfully frighten away a home intruder.
When questioned, a third of criminals in 11 prisons across the country said they had been injured, scared off or caught by an armed victim, 70% of them knew other criminals who had, and 40% of them had decided not to commit a crime just because their victim was armed with a gun. Which is significant because 42% of Americans can expect to be the victim of a violent crime in their lifetime. Speaking personally, I'd rather have the gun and make that criminal reconsider than paint myself an easy target.
Oh and of the almost 1700 people murdered in NYC between 2003 and 2005? 90% were killed by people who *already had* criminal records.
I am not an NRA freak. The guns and bows I keep are mostly because I enjoy sport shooting, archery practice, and a little hunting on occasion.
But I have an active stalker. I have already had to change my name and move several times.
Not that I don't love my local law enforcement--because I *do*, they are incredibly supportive men and women and really all around awesome--but their hands are tied *by law* in ways that mean I cannot rely on them wholly for this issue because they cannot do anything until a crime is already in progress or has been committed. And even then, I could be killed before they have a chance to respond to my 911 call *unless I have a way to defend myself until they arrive*.
Should just anyone be allowed to have a gun? Hell, no. My stalker for one. That crazy mofo shouldn't be allowed to own a goddamned butter knife and his forks ought to be filed down to a pile of shavings and then thrown in the fucking trash.
But he, thank God, isn't the norm, he's the exception.
I appreciate your calm reason :) and sorry to hear about your stalker. WTF. No offence, I'm sure you're awesome, but that's weird.
Thing is, the kind of education you're talking about isn't happening, and it's not likely to, as long as a majority of people believe that their individual security trumps the security of the group. It's not about being punished, it's about voluntarily giving something up, even though it sucks and it's unfair, because it's better for everyone that way. 42% of Americans will be the victim of violent crime? That's horrifying even before you throw these weapons into the mix.
I don't want to ramble on but let me give one counter-statistic: America has 1,000% the gun injuries (per capita) of Australia. There are a lot of complex factors to that, of course, but the combination of personal freedom at all costs, and unfettered access to firearms pretty clearly equates to more gun crime, not less. Enough people can't be trusted that it's not worth it, I reckon.
And I appreciate yours! :D LOL It's okay. Therapy is helping and I've learned how to adapt, so I'm doing really well with it right now. Mostly I'm trying not to take it personally since, as odd as it sounds, it's not actually about me. He's the one with the fixation and it could just as easily have been anyone else his target landed on. I'm still here and that is a victory I'll take.
Education is not happening as much as it needs to, no. I can totally agree with that. But *as* an educator, I can't give up. I am not capable of admitting that kind of defeat. I know that it probably won't happen in my lifetime, but I can still do everything in my power and set things in motion so that future generations won't have to give anything up to have a safe place for their kids to grow up.
Well then it sounds like we were both born in the right places for our own tastes. :)
Just to add to the conversation about gun control. For every statistic you can bring up showing something about how gun control was good. Others can bring up another statistic showing how gun control was bad. If it was as clear cut as you think it is, it would have been instituted and done with and nobody would have issues with it. Another note about comparing the US to Australia is Australia never allowed just anybody to own a gun, it was fairly regulated even before they implemented all the "new" gun control. If only people that could already pass their initial tests could own guns to begin with, why would the new gun control laws even have an effect on murders or anything else. It should have just been taking guns away from law abiding citizens, and yet people bring up all these statistics about how it helped crime rates.
Of course you're right, it's a complex issue and you can't compare the two countries without a whole bunch of qualifications. But look, Australia averaged one gun massacre a year before the laws changed, we haven't had one since, and I don't believe it's a coincidence. The laws have been effective at reducing gun violence. I just don't think that reducing gun violence is *as* important to a lot of Americans as this idea that the government shall not curtail my rights (which is a rejection of the whole idea of law, by the way; why exactly aren't you allowed to murder/rape/steal again?).
I think we need some more "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" style leadership. Except substitute "country" for "species," because you're a human being by necessity, and a citizen of whatever-country-you're-from by circumstance.
I agree with some of these, but I still wish these kinds of posts don't show up. The controversy over some of these issues is just too much. Abortion, for example. It's too touchy a topic and gets too many people upset with each other.
I dont understand some of the arguments for abortion. Like they might have to grow up in an orphanage or if the mother was raped or if their not ready for a family. So you kill the unborn baby? Dont even give them a shot? Id rather grow up rough and alone then never grow up or exist. I mean damn coach put me in the game, i might suck but give me a chance. Abortion at least those reasons just sounds selfish to me. Downvotes expected, calm thoughts or counterpoints although unlikely are welcome.
Again.
Brain function defines life. The brain doesn't develop until about 6 months, so its not "killing a baby" its preventing further catastrophe for the mother who is for a fact already alive.
Oh yeah,I would LOVE to live with a birth defect or the knowledge that my parents didn't want me than to have never existed at all. I would love to be constantly living at orphanages where no one cares about me
And also, you may underestimate the kind of life some of these orphans have to go through... but for one, when was the last time you gave something to an orphanage? Or have heard of someone raising an orphan? I mean we already have a LOT of people in the world, and a lot of starving people at that. So given the fact we're not properly feeding the people we do have, why give way for one whom the mother knows its not the right time, or was raped and just emotionally would find it unbearable.
Back to the original post.... If you dont like abortion, DONT HAVE ONE.
Your name makes it ironic that you're playing peace keeper for this post ^_^
But I dont see it as arguing... debates are fun for me. People have troubles agreeing to disagree on things they strongly have an opinion for.
Just wanted to start off by saying personally I'm completely pro choice. No stipulations such as "well only if its rape" or anything. If they want an abortion for any reason, I'm for giving them that choice. HOWEVER, I DO see the other side of it.
@fiesty "brain function defines life"....TO YOU. To others life is at conception, so even a morning after pill is thought of as a form of abortion.
@ the "If you dont like abortion, DONT HAVE ONE" argument, sure that solves the dilemma for the mother. What about the father? The family? What about the baby itself? foxfox just admitted he would rather be born and given to an orphanage struggling to even survive day to day rather than be aborted. Whos to determine that he shouldn't be given that chance just because the mother doesn't want it? There are more people (including the baby, whether its considered "alive" or not) that come into play which is why you can't just say "well dont have one" and call it good.
Lol interesting aspect for someone pro choice. But I'll bite. And I see the other side too.... but just like at one point in time people thought the sun revolved around the earth, I believe that education on the topic can shift the controversy.
When I say brain function defines life, I am talking scientifically in the medical feild that is a key factor. You're alive in a coma via heartbeat, but still considered dead with no brain activity. I know others define life at conception, heart beat ect, heart beat isn't until 3 months in so are they going to back off and say as long as its before that, when its just a bunch of cells its fine? As for the conception one... we're getting into the religious junkies and (most of them) love forcing their views down other peoples throats. Supposed to be a free country right? Speach, religion ect. So... my body my choice. I am supposed to be allowed to make the decision I see fit to better my life.
Now as for the father family dilemma... something that should be taken up with the lady. Thats a family matter, but again a woman is pretty in tune with her body, she has the motherly instinct. So if all that has bad vibes about having a kid, I say she is allowed to do as she please. There are plenty of mothers out there now that have kids can't take care of them, or are just flat out terrible. As for saying "I'd rather be given a shot" ... this is gonna sound heartless... but you wouldn't exactly know now would you? I mean, you weren't alive, and than there was an increasing potential that you could be alive, but ultimately.... you still weren't a thing yet. You hadn't seen the world, haven't breathed yet. There are a LOT of people in the world as is. A lot of homeless kids, starving children, orphans... you get the picture. Why not help the people we do have instead of singling out these women who are already dealing with a fuck ton of issues?
To each his own is my point....
And not to be an ass, but lets not forget how often men run off when women do have kids. Since we tend to get the shitty end of the stick with most things, I'd like the option to maintain what little control of the chaos that I can.
Honestly, you could say that any one of these things not only affects the user, but those around them and thats why the "well they aren't hurting anybody else, just leave them be" card won't play. cigarettes: second hand smoke. guns: gun shooting victims. etc. If every one of these was such a clear choice, there wouldn't be debate about them, there would be 1 "right" answer. And yet there isn't. Even between people that are on the same side, there are varying degrees of it. Some people are 100% pro abortion, some believe its only ok under very specific circumstances such as rape, some believe its ok if its rape or the child is going to have major issues or something else. All of these are technically "pro choice" yet all 3 cases think the other 2 aren't right
The abortion one is probably arguable. You talk about not taking rights away in the last part. What about the rights of the baby? It has not done anything wrong and yet you would deprive it the right of life. I won't sit here and preach to you while smacking you with a bible, I am simply giving you something to think about.
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the fetus is nothing but a bundle of cells. it's not a baby.
After reading all these posts, I have thought of a better idea. Since we can't agree on rights, lets have no rights. Let us have another Hitler rise and tear down ever fabric of human freedom. You don't like it? You die. Simple as that. All criminals are dead problem solved. Use military to keep everyone in line, problem solved. Fuck it lets just nuke every major city on the planet. They know you mean business, they know the power you wield, they stay the fuck in line. Problem solved.
*raises hand* I am ambivalent about it, so I identify as grey-ace. I have honestly never met anyone I wanted to have sex with and I don't desire it in general, but I acknowledge that there could be someone out there who is an exception for me.
I'm just saying I may never want to do it and that's just fine and dandy. Sex, contrary to popular belief, is not actually necessary to life. To the continuation of the species, yes. To a single person's life, no.
Really i mean come on i don't care if i get downvoted, i hate the thought of a abortion. ADOPTION people should think about that. You should not kill a human born or unborn. Go ahead down vote all you want.
What if you are raped? What if you are in no position to have a family? To put them up for adoption,you still have to give birth to the child,which could kill you and is one of the most painful things in the world
What right does anyone have to tell someone else they can't have an abortion? Imagine the child growing up in crappy orphanages or bad foster homes thinking "even my own parents didn't want me" even if that wasn't the case, the kid will never know. And both the child and the parent will have bad feelings for it. You don't know the reasons that provoke women to feel the need to have an abortion, but trust that they know their life better than the next person to make that call.
And from what I hear its not like a check up. Like, the women go through a emotional roller coaster and im sure it hurts like hell too.
Did you know that in some states if you are raped, your rapist is guaranteed CHILD VISITATION RIGHTS? So this assfuck comes along and traumatizes you because he never learned to respect other people's rights and now you have to see him EVERY WEEK for the next 18 years. Because that's not even more fucking traumatizing.
I *wish* every child was born happy and healthy to a loving family, but if wishes were fishes no one would go hungry and if wishes were horses everyone could ride. I think educating people on how not to get pregnant and why they should think carefully about the possibility and abolishing rape culture are all much better ways of ending abortion than telling someone that THEY can't make a choice for themselves because it makes YOU uncomfortable.
And plus, just because you ban it doesn't mean they arent going to find a way. Desperate times will call for desperate measures ESPECIALLY in a case of rape, we see it all the time in poverty ridden areas, women either jumping the border to get the operation or trying it themselves and killing herself in the attempt. Other cases of overdose, or abuse from their spouse (tends to cause tension in a relationship...)
I definitely agree in educating people about preventing pregnancies.... this "abstinence" thing isn't working so well. Maybe have a fall back plan? Half the parents forcing this view I garantee were NOT that innocent.
To the death in labor-Child birth rarely ends in death for the mother now a days; to the crappy life and orphanages - I would rather have a crappy life than no life at all, imagine if one day you said man today was a crappy day and someone just walked up and shot you dead; to the
Visitation rights-take away those visitation rights, not the child's right to live, You take away the right of a felon, not an innocent person ... I just think it should never be okay to take away the right to life that everyone has just because selfish reasons. And yes, saying that you won't keep a child just because you don't wanna go through the nine month pregnancy or the labor is selfish. To take the life of someone because your fucked up (literally) is selfish.
CHANGE THE LAW, OH MY GOD WHY HAS NO ONE THOUGHT OF TH— Oh wait they did. And they are trying. But until they do, there are mothers out there who are forced to spend an hour or more each week watching the man who *raped them* spend time with their child and pray that this monster doesn't do it again.
Okay life is defined by brain activity. You can have a heart beat, and be considered dead if you don't have brain activity. (coma) That doesn't happen until about 6 months. Now late term abortions are a different ball game, those are usually complications she wanted the baby, but either the baby won't make it/ is already dead or she runs the risk of losing her life.
So having an abortion early IS NOT MURDER. Its her choice, and given the fact she is in tune with her body has the mother instinct and so on, how can you say its not the right call?
As far as the law thing... erm... the real issue is why the fuck that law got passed to begin with.
We can solve the rape problem by making it a capital crime and by killing every mother fucker who does something as terrible as violating the body and mind of a woman. What really grinds my gears is rape of young teens. I want to kill that mother fucker myself. It pisses me off to no end. Just thinking about it drives me clinically insane. A girl from my school about 3 years my junior was raped like 2 or 3 years ago and the fucker got away with it and she had to move to a different state to stay away from him. I know I just spoke of the right to life before, but some one who takes life or rapes doesn't deserve life. I am catholic and I am 100% for the death penalty. We don't use it enough in the US and I makes me so mad. I have been called the problem child with my beliefs towards the death penalty. We are too soft and need to kill the worthless so the people on the edge are scared out of criminal behaviors. End rant.
I think it's fine if you guys have your own opinion....as long as you don't downvote me saying I think abortion is someone's choice.
Let's just not hate (:
But it's murder... How can you not see that it is killing another human being? If it was my opinion that it was ok to kill a baby as long as he/ she was under 1 yr old you'd call me a sick person, what is the difference?
Because after birth, the child is a separate entity. A fetus in utero is not. There are times when it comes down to lose the baby or lose them both. That doesn't happen post-birth.
I think abortion is terrible, don't get me wrong. But I think telling someone else what they can and cannot do with THEIR OWN BODY is pretty fucking terrible too since they have to live with it and YOU DON'T.
Now that's a whole different argument when it comes down to the mother or the baby and possibly losing them both, that's not what I'm arguing. But the baby is NOT the mother's body, even in the case if rape, the baby did nothing wrong and does not deserve to be killed.
You misread my comment. I am NOT okay with killing babies and I cannot conceive of a situation when I would do so myself. But I am also not okay with making a decision for another person like this.
But you're ok with sitting idly by while others are killed... Granted I don't really know what to do about it, but I'm not on with it. If people started killing their one year olds you wouldn't say "well I would never do it but it's up to the parent" so I simply don't understand the difference
"Sitting idly by while others are killed"
... Really?
For one an unborn fetus isn't even alive until 3 months in.
But most importantly you are probably just as guilty of this as you're accusing everyone else of being. What about the war we've been in for YEARS (assuming you're American) or for that matter- the constant genocide that other countries are in that you turn a blind eye to all the time?
Of all the issues to attack you pick womens health? Let her make her own choice in her life. It's not like she's exactly excited to get the operation done. Shes not going to go out, get her nails done, hit the gym and go to a party after. It's a traumatic experience for the woman let alone the situation that drove her to make that call.
Look I already said I know that I can't really do anything about it, yes I am an American, and I can't really do anything about any of this, I wish I could. This is not a women's health issue! It is the killing of unborn babies! What is wrong with you that you think this is ok???
Do you realize exactly how much women are suffering? To force someone to go through that! And yes, you are forcing them, especially if it is a situation of rape.
This is exactly women's health issue's. From Congress trying to outlaw birth control and than getting pissed off about abortions? THAT doesnt make sense to me.
Ultimately- when shit hits the fan the woman is taking the blunt end of everything. The guy can just dissappear, the woman has to deal with it every. Day. You're not her, why are you fit to judge her for deciding that getting an abortion is the right move? You don't know her story or what drove her to that decision. Don't you think it is a little more irresponsible if she were to have the kid and not be able to afford its food and health?
Fiestycricket the problem with the war idea is different for the sole fact that it is the protection of millions of others. Having an abortion is more often then not just to not have the baby.
Again....let's just not hate guys. It's a touchy issue and there will never be a point when everyone will agree on both sides. I don't think someone's opinion will be able to change over arguing in the comments section of a picture...
Guest - it isn't different. It's different in the fact that people are singling out these women, but if you look at any other war in our history, as a country we joined together to fight to get our troops back home. (the "Yes we can lady" for example) people seem to think its out of our control but people put the situation at hand, so people can fix it. But I do get what you're saying... I just see it as an excuse.
But I'm not hating. I like debates.... you see people be passionate about something and finally take a stance somewhere.
It does seem like the awesome point of the pictures message was lost a long time ago though haha.
I wonder if jj experiences any cognitive dissonance from considering a fetus a human being complete with rights, and adult homosexuals, well...not so deserving.
Hate the rapists. Kill them, take all the money and things they own to raise the baby they might have created in the process of rape. But noooooo that's not allowed.
Don't like children? Don't have them.
Don't like traffic? Don't drive.
Don't like the weather? Don't go outside.
Don't like chocolate? Don't eat it.
Don't like complaints? Don't complain.
play. When you kill a little kid by driving when high or drunk then there is a problem!
And Wind sorry, but I don't think that's ironic, I think it's wrong and America's soaring per-capita rate of gun injury bears me out. It might be the case that guns don't kill people, but you can't stop people being scared/aggressive/stupid. What you can do is stop putting weapons in the hands of scared/aggressive people, and watch the violent crime statistics tumble. Like they did in Australia and elsewhere (where the same arguments were raised).
And it *is* possible. Go check out Swizterland. I'll admit that starting off by handing everyone a gun on their eighteenth birthday is a *terrible* idea, but the fact remains that removing guns from the equation isn't the only viable solution. Just like with abortion—or, hell, any of these issues—proper education would allow everyone to maintain their rights and not force some to give up their freedom to choose because of the few who fuck it up.
There will *always* be people who fuck it up, but that is life and human nature. Why should the rest if us have to be punished for mistakes we didn't make even when we had the chance to?
The US murder rate has dropped dramatically since 1980 and in 2008 alone, only 8% of violent crimes involved the criminal with a gun.
There were almost a million incidents of citizen defense with a gun in 2000, and in 1994 half that many people used a gun to successfully frighten away a home intruder.
When questioned, a third of criminals in 11 prisons across the country said they had been injured, scared off or caught by an armed victim, 70% of them knew other criminals who had, and 40% of them had decided not to commit a crime just because their victim was armed with a gun. Which is significant because 42% of Americans can expect to be the victim of a violent crime in their lifetime. Speaking personally, I'd rather have the gun and make that criminal reconsider than paint myself an easy target.
Oh and of the almost 1700 people murdered in NYC between 2003 and 2005? 90% were killed by people who *already had* criminal records.
But I have an active stalker. I have already had to change my name and move several times.
Not that I don't love my local law enforcement--because I *do*, they are incredibly supportive men and women and really all around awesome--but their hands are tied *by law* in ways that mean I cannot rely on them wholly for this issue because they cannot do anything until a crime is already in progress or has been committed. And even then, I could be killed before they have a chance to respond to my 911 call *unless I have a way to defend myself until they arrive*.
Should just anyone be allowed to have a gun? Hell, no. My stalker for one. That crazy mofo shouldn't be allowed to own a goddamned butter knife and his forks ought to be filed down to a pile of shavings and then thrown in the fucking trash.
But he, thank God, isn't the norm, he's the exception.
Thing is, the kind of education you're talking about isn't happening, and it's not likely to, as long as a majority of people believe that their individual security trumps the security of the group. It's not about being punished, it's about voluntarily giving something up, even though it sucks and it's unfair, because it's better for everyone that way. 42% of Americans will be the victim of violent crime? That's horrifying even before you throw these weapons into the mix.
I don't want to ramble on but let me give one counter-statistic: America has 1,000% the gun injuries (per capita) of Australia. There are a lot of complex factors to that, of course, but the combination of personal freedom at all costs, and unfettered access to firearms pretty clearly equates to more gun crime, not less. Enough people can't be trusted that it's not worth it, I reckon.
Education is not happening as much as it needs to, no. I can totally agree with that. But *as* an educator, I can't give up. I am not capable of admitting that kind of defeat. I know that it probably won't happen in my lifetime, but I can still do everything in my power and set things in motion so that future generations won't have to give anything up to have a safe place for their kids to grow up.
Well then it sounds like we were both born in the right places for our own tastes. :)
and PS I think teachers are the most valuable thing humanity has produced. I wish I were more like you =)
I think we need some more "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" style leadership. Except substitute "country" for "species," because you're a human being by necessity, and a citizen of whatever-country-you're-from by circumstance.
Brain function defines life. The brain doesn't develop until about 6 months, so its not "killing a baby" its preventing further catastrophe for the mother who is for a fact already alive.
Back to the original post.... If you dont like abortion, DONT HAVE ONE.
But I dont see it as arguing... debates are fun for me. People have troubles agreeing to disagree on things they strongly have an opinion for.
@fiesty "brain function defines life"....TO YOU. To others life is at conception, so even a morning after pill is thought of as a form of abortion.
@ the "If you dont like abortion, DONT HAVE ONE" argument, sure that solves the dilemma for the mother. What about the father? The family? What about the baby itself? foxfox just admitted he would rather be born and given to an orphanage struggling to even survive day to day rather than be aborted. Whos to determine that he shouldn't be given that chance just because the mother doesn't want it? There are more people (including the baby, whether its considered "alive" or not) that come into play which is why you can't just say "well dont have one" and call it good.
When I say brain function defines life, I am talking scientifically in the medical feild that is a key factor. You're alive in a coma via heartbeat, but still considered dead with no brain activity. I know others define life at conception, heart beat ect, heart beat isn't until 3 months in so are they going to back off and say as long as its before that, when its just a bunch of cells its fine? As for the conception one... we're getting into the religious junkies and (most of them) love forcing their views down other peoples throats. Supposed to be a free country right? Speach, religion ect. So... my body my choice. I am supposed to be allowed to make the decision I see fit to better my life.
To each his own is my point....
And from what I hear its not like a check up. Like, the women go through a emotional roller coaster and im sure it hurts like hell too.
I *wish* every child was born happy and healthy to a loving family, but if wishes were fishes no one would go hungry and if wishes were horses everyone could ride. I think educating people on how not to get pregnant and why they should think carefully about the possibility and abolishing rape culture are all much better ways of ending abortion than telling someone that THEY can't make a choice for themselves because it makes YOU uncomfortable.
I definitely agree in educating people about preventing pregnancies.... this "abstinence" thing isn't working so well. Maybe have a fall back plan? Half the parents forcing this view I garantee were NOT that innocent.
So having an abortion early IS NOT MURDER. Its her choice, and given the fact she is in tune with her body has the mother instinct and so on, how can you say its not the right call?
As far as the law thing... erm... the real issue is why the fuck that law got passed to begin with.
Let's just not hate (:
I think abortion is terrible, don't get me wrong. But I think telling someone else what they can and cannot do with THEIR OWN BODY is pretty fucking terrible too since they have to live with it and YOU DON'T.
... Really?
For one an unborn fetus isn't even alive until 3 months in.
But most importantly you are probably just as guilty of this as you're accusing everyone else of being. What about the war we've been in for YEARS (assuming you're American) or for that matter- the constant genocide that other countries are in that you turn a blind eye to all the time?
Of all the issues to attack you pick womens health? Let her make her own choice in her life. It's not like she's exactly excited to get the operation done. Shes not going to go out, get her nails done, hit the gym and go to a party after. It's a traumatic experience for the woman let alone the situation that drove her to make that call.
Ultimately- when shit hits the fan the woman is taking the blunt end of everything. The guy can just dissappear, the woman has to deal with it every. Day. You're not her, why are you fit to judge her for deciding that getting an abortion is the right move? You don't know her story or what drove her to that decision. Don't you think it is a little more irresponsible if she were to have the kid and not be able to afford its food and health?
It does seem like the awesome point of the pictures message was lost a long time ago though haha.