How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
If you don't have evidence then you can't claim he exists which means that it has no place in rational society.
How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
But let's ignore that. You seem to be thinking that humans are special. We are a chance occurrence. There was no series of events that occurred with the intent of creating humans. We just happened to have evolved. I'm no expert at this, but here is a video that explains it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X3g_ITRBxgs
You are falling back on one of the worst arguments you can get. Your acknowledgement that you have no evidence for God is conceding that I win. I don't have to provide evidence God doesn't exist. You have to. You are claiming that he exists while I was not claiming he doesn't. It's called the burden of proof. The one making the claim is the one who provides the evidence.
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You are falling back on one of the worst arguments you can get. Your acknowledgement that you have no evidence for God is conceding that I win. I don't have to provide evidence God doesn't exist. You have to. You are claiming that he exists while I was not claiming he doesn't. It's called the burden of proof. The one making the claim is the one who provides the evidence.
How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
The Christian God is more than unlikely. It is impossible for it to exist. You cannot disprove the existence of a God, yes, but the Bible provides plenty of statements that show that the mentioned god is impossible. Example? I can't disprove that there isn't a triangle floating on a piece of paper... until you say that it has four sides. The same with the Christian God. It is an impossible being.
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
There may be nothing to lose in praying except my time but there is nothing to be gained either.
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
Your lack of knowledge on the creation of the universe doesn't mean you can say that God did it. That's called the argument from ignorance or argument from personal incredulity.
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
You're feelings don't mean anything. Some people feel that Bigfoot exists and have personally believe that they've seen him. You wanting there to be a purpose doesn't mean there is one.
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
The worth of life is odd. Sometimes I don't think there is one which is why I am on the suicide watch list. Sometimes, like now, the worth of my life is in the person who tells me good morning and the little pleasure I get from reading, writing, or listening to music. Why is life worth it? That's up to you and nobody else. Not even a constructed deity can decide that.
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
Why does it need a point? We are insignificant specks of duwr floating in another speck around another speck known as the soon which is just one of trillions. Why do we need an ultimate purpose?
We don't have any ultimate or divine purpose. We have our own personal purposes. Do you not love your family? Perhaps your children or beloved? Is there not something you can do to make humanity better? Some people's purpose is just that. Some people's purpose is to live. I don't believe in purposes. I have goals and that goal is to have as much joy in this life because I see no reason to believe there is anything else.
I can't give you any reason to live. That's something you have to figure out yourself. Your life is what you make of it. You decide "the point".
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We don't have any ultimate or divine purpose. We have our own personal purposes. Do you not love your family? Perhaps your children or beloved? Is there not something you can do to make humanity better? Some people's purpose is just that. Some people's purpose is to live. I don't believe in purposes. I have goals and that goal is to have as much joy in this life because I see no reason to believe there is anything else.
I can't give you any reason to live. That's something you have to figure out yourself. Your life is what you make of it. You decide "the point".
How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
I point towards Japan, one of the most secular countries on Earth, who is one of the most successful countries on Earth.
If life without God isn't worth it to you, then that's your problem because nobody except the extremely indoctrinated believe that.
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If life without God isn't worth it to you, then that's your problem because nobody except the extremely indoctrinated believe that.
Wanna make games? 12 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
If you're gonna make video games, then you'll need AT LEAST knowledge of basic calculus just for the very basics.
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
Then what use is this God if he can't be proven? There are only inherent negatives to believing something like this. The only positives that can come from it can be easily replicated in much better, and less abusive, ways.
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
What about people who convert to Islam claiming that they heard him? Is that proof that Allah is the true God? Why are you being so selective with your deity of choice? And that's exactly what you claimed. You claimed that diseases don't matter because God will help them.
And schizophrenia isn't a disease; It's a medical disorder that gives me voices telling me I'm worthless and that everyone hates me. My depression isn't a disease; it's a mental illness that causes life to be ever so miserable. My sociopathy isn't a disease; it's my lack of empathy and anger issues.
Also, I'm done with this. I refuse to believe that someone can be so ignorant and incapable of spelling a word that is literally spelled in front of them. Provide evidence for your beliefs or admit that your belief is irrational.
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And schizophrenia isn't a disease; It's a medical disorder that gives me voices telling me I'm worthless and that everyone hates me. My depression isn't a disease; it's a mental illness that causes life to be ever so miserable. My sociopathy isn't a disease; it's my lack of empathy and anger issues.
Also, I'm done with this. I refuse to believe that someone can be so ignorant and incapable of spelling a word that is literally spelled in front of them. Provide evidence for your beliefs or admit that your belief is irrational.
How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
That's not evidence. That doesn't convince anyone except those who already believe. Also wtf? "Whatever disease you have does not matter because god is almighty and will look over and help all his children if they simply reach out." So no Christian dies from disease? That is completely, irrefutably, and completely false that only a fool would believe.
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
That makes no sense. Hearing voices in your head is insanity and feelings aren't evidence. What you are describing isn't a way of finding the truth; it's a way of convicing yourself you have. Have you ever thought out your beliefs or are you just repeating what you've been told?
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Do you believe in god? 35 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
When I was little, I recognized the fake bullshit for what it was: fake bullshit.
How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
Which one? And how will I know that it is god talking? How can I verify that it is not a delusion in the circumstance that I do hear a voice? I'm already being tested for schizophrenia due to the voices in my head, so I wouldn't really be able to take a voice in my head to be evidence. Why doesn't he just show himself?
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
Faith that god is not real? Not really. I just haven't been given any evidence that he has existed therefore I do not see any reason to believe that this god exists.
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
Faith? What about people who have faith in Allah or Vishnu? Aren't their beliefs as equally true as yours? If something can be used to defend all positions then it doesn't really defend any position.
How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
Wait, you're making claims for what I assume is your religion without even knowing what the Bible says? If you haven't read the Bible, then how can you know what it says and what God wants?
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
Woah, woah. Where does it say that in the Bible? And chastity? That's the total avoidance of sex for life. Do you mean abstinence?
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
I would point towards him being one of the first advocators for LGBT people
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
What? That's just confusing. It doesn't say that God created good and then Satan corrupted it into evil. It says that God just created both good and evil without interference from Satan.
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
Do you have a verse for that? I know of one where God admits that he is the creator of evil e.g. sin, but nothing about Satan doing so.
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7 KJV (The wording changes amongst the versions, but the idea that God created the evil, destruction, or whatever stays.)
Oh, and it is God saying that. The verses before and after follow this with it repeated saying that "I am the Lord".
"[6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. [7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:6-7
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"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7 KJV (The wording changes amongst the versions, but the idea that God created the evil, destruction, or whatever stays.)
Oh, and it is God saying that. The verses before and after follow this with it repeated saying that "I am the Lord".
"[6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. [7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:6-7
How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
I actually don't know of any evil deeds Satan commited in the Bible outside of ten murders that were commited when God told him to. If anyone has actual evil acts performed by him, then please share them and provide the verse so I can verify.
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How satan became evil 58 comments
sir_spiderman
· 6 years ago
There's actually a religion that believes that the Christian God, Yahweh, is the actual devil while Satan is the real good god. They believe that Yahweh, who is actually "Satan", won their battle and claimed that Satan is the bad guy.
(I'll call Satan "Lucifer" starting now.)
I don't believe either of them exist, but it is an interesting idea that I've pondered. Lucifer killed less than a dozen people in the Bible while Yahweh killed millions. Lucifer seemed to encourage knowledge and critical thinking while Yahweh condemns searching for knowledge. If you want to believe that Lucifer was the snake in the garden, then Lucifer didn't lie at all. He wanted humanity to be intelligent and moral while Yahweh seemed to wish for humanity to be ignorant.
Lucifer seems to accept that humans will love other people and wants them to enjoy life. Allowing them to embrace their sexuality and love regardless of gender.
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(I'll call Satan "Lucifer" starting now.)
I don't believe either of them exist, but it is an interesting idea that I've pondered. Lucifer killed less than a dozen people in the Bible while Yahweh killed millions. Lucifer seemed to encourage knowledge and critical thinking while Yahweh condemns searching for knowledge. If you want to believe that Lucifer was the snake in the garden, then Lucifer didn't lie at all. He wanted humanity to be intelligent and moral while Yahweh seemed to wish for humanity to be ignorant.
Lucifer seems to accept that humans will love other people and wants them to enjoy life. Allowing them to embrace their sexuality and love regardless of gender.
