I still suggest metal detectors.. It's not that hard to deal with metal detectors if properly planned. When I was in middle school someone brought a gun (luckily no one got shot). My high school had metal detectors and it went just fine.
Ah yes that would stop the students from shooting up the school but what about a crazed, non-student killer like in sandy hook? Armed guards would be the answer, perhaps. And I totally agree with op that there is a mental health issue, not a gun issue.
Regardless of mental issue they need metal detectors so weapons would not be brought inside the school by anyone at all. Even the fucking principle could go crazy and shoot up the place for all we know.
So we gonna install guard shacks with canines to? Let's not forget the double row of razor wire topped fences. Let's not forget the kids at colombine planted / hid explosives in the parking lot and our last guy was hitting people with his car.
I'm not talking about full fucking protection against osama-bin laden type of terrorists. Just two simple metal detectors with two lines one for boys one for girls. Shit's that simple lol
So who's going to run the metal detectors? Police or armed security? Either way if someone is intent on doing harm they're going to do it. The person running the metal detector will be the first casualty and then said assailant will continue thru metal detector or if the person is able to set off an audible alarm they could just blast away at people running back out the exit. The true effort should be put into finding out wtf is wrong with these people.
You've got to stop thinking about the worst case scenarios. This is precaution we're talking about. Something's something. They can't have military armed men in every school. Metal detectors plus school security guards is enough. If something bigger happens it would happen regardless so might as well prevent something rather than nothing
Ur assuming that shootings happen enough to be that serious of a threat. Metal detectors in schools would not ensure safety as much as making school procceedings more difficult
All it would take honestly is to take a teacher and spend a few days at the gun range with a semi experienced shooter, then give the teacher a gun. It would make the school infinitely safer.
That's faulty logic. But whatever, I've made my perspective on this clear on enough posts already. Keep your guns, keep convincing yourselves that the constitution makes you right, keep burying your children in mass graves. I'm sure you'll figure it out someday long after Team America has gone the way of all flesh.
Well I still think there's a gun issue. There is also a mental health issue. I don't think that we should make the mistake of completely disregarding one issue because of the relevance of the other.
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There may be, but you have to remember; in many cases, the criminal is using a firearm that he had not obtained legally, so as to not have it traced. The banning of firearms may have an impact, however not as large a one as many would have you believe.
The banning of firearms would have no impact, people would simply use other means of weaponry. Knives and clubs for example. This whole issue is about a stabbing anyway. Taking a gun away does not take away the person's want to kill. They'll do it one way or another, banning guns simply makes law abiding citizens sitting sitting ducks for those who kill.
I know, right!?
And CARS? Are you effin' KIDDING me???
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We need to get rid of alcohol again because there are too many people who use it irresponsibly and choose to get into those killing machines, which has led to the untimely deaths of innocent people. Shit is out of control.
In Norway there are almost no school shootings or similar. The latest severe incident was in july 2011, where a terrorist killed 83 people. I know it is one of the best countries in the world to live in, but it still is not perfect. I think that if there were armed guards, more control over weapons, more focus on imrpoving the society, instead of just putting the criminals behind bars, much would be done... Im sad to say that as the situation in America is now, Im not sure how to react. I think the politicians in America sometimes dig the graves of their people... just an opinion ;)
Keep seeing Norway as such a good comparison against the entire US. Population of Norway: 5 million, population of US: 320 million. thats 64 times larger. That means for every killing spree somebody commits in Norway, there has to be SIXTY FOUR killing sprees in the US to compare to it. If Norway had only one every 10 years (No idea what it is in reality, just an example) The US could average SIX EVERY YEAR and it would still be considered less killing sprees per person. The only reason you hear so much about the ones in America and not the rest of the world is because American news sensationalizes everything.
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I was thinking the same thing. You just simply cannot use smaller countries in comparison, no matter how much "better" their society seems.
I will say I must base my opinions on what I read as I'm not from any of the countries I listed but has violent crime Or general crime; not just deaths from guns; been reduced or gone up?
Strong arm robbery and rape continue to rise in the uk. Citizens cannot defend themselves with guns, knives, clubs, or even large flashlights. Populace made victim by their own chosen leaders.
I disagree. Look at australia. (And dont give me shit about different cultures) . Unless we are willing to ban guns, school shootings will continue to happen. Yes, the stabbing of multiple people is tragic, but it is not as bad as someone going in with a fucking assault rifle and killing most of the people he sees
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Then how do you explain the steadily decreasing crime rates in states with right-to-carry laws? How do you explain the low crime rates in countries like Canada and Switzerland, with private weapons ownership rates being as high as that of the US?
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The only difference between the US and other nations is our media; driven by profit, they sensationalize everything, focusing on the stories that create far and excitement. The result is just that; fear. We as Americans know the name of every killer, and we learn to fear them, while they learn that they can receive fame and notoriety for their heinous actions.
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An arguably perfect example of the result of this fear (depending on whom you speak to) is the Spanish-American War. Look it up if you're curious; it could be construed as a classic example of history repeating itself.
You hit the nail on the head with that 2nd comment.
Guest, just to be clear, what you're saying is that you don't think any disgruntled children will find a way to obtain a firearm illegally in the case that there is a nationwide ban on them? Because I'd hate to burst your bubble, but this happens every day.
I was in the school when it happened. The guy was actually a pretty nice kid. I would have never expected him to do anything like that. I guess he put up a front for people but was actually mental.
You deal with it by having armed civilians and guards present and when some psycho comes to kill everyone, you kill him.
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By realizing it's a problem and actually getting people help when they are exhibiting signs. Look at that guy in Cali who just killed six people. He was diagnosed, going to therapy, and making videos. Everyone around him knew he had problems, cops didn't pay enough attention during welfare checks. People instantly screamed gun control and blamed politicians and the NRA, when he stabbed three of them to death. Hopefully the good that comes is attention being placed at the root of the issue.
You can't blame the person if they have mental issues. You don't just kill a person with a disability on sight. I do agree that if they are coming in there with a obvious intention of killing or injuring somebody they should be restrained and at last case scenario killed, but nobody chooses to have a mental issue.
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The person to first comment isn't saying that, quirkey101. What he's saying is that, in the event that there is an armed individual threatening those in the school, having armed/trained (especially the "trained" part) to defend the students and civilians until the police arrive is a proper way of preventing or minimizing the loss of life, albeit not in so many words.
And CARS? Are you effin' KIDDING me???
Guest, just to be clear, what you're saying is that you don't think any disgruntled children will find a way to obtain a firearm illegally in the case that there is a nationwide ban on them? Because I'd hate to burst your bubble, but this happens every day.