I had a math test today, and I actually was tempted to cheat on the last question, because I noticed the teacher had forgotten to make us turn our desks around and my notes were inside the desk so I could peek, but then I looked over the question again and realized it's actually something I know doing.
As a student, I can say that I've been tempted to cheat for a few extra marks, but never have because I can't live with the guilt.
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· 9 years ago
I guess I am not the only one to think that students should be evaluated on their progression and constancy. I think it is already implemented in some north-european countries.
I salute you, captain obvious! ;D
Joke aside, this is very true. Knowledge isn't as valued as good grades. Stupid, this. Like grades were ever a faithful representation of one's mental abilities.
hahahaha you're funny, hun. Seriously. I've just finished 2nd year of medschool with awesome grades. Wanna talk some more about underachieving?? :D Or do you want to talk about how they always favour students who have terrific grades instead of those who wactually understand things and don't cheat because well, WE FUCKING WANT TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THINGS, even if that costs us a bit on the grade part because we don't have the nerve to bring 20 damn cheatsheets to every damn exam?!
Oh, I get that, believe me. I'm having trouble getting into the RN program out here, in part due to the huge amounts of kids fresh out of high school who were lucky enough not to have to put themselves through school like I did, in addition to some cheaters, I'm sure, not to mention ridiculous black marks like the physio class I dropped before it even appeared on my transcript, yet still knocks me way down the applicant list.
Then I get to see all these tenderfeet at my job looking like deer in headlights, making the dumbest mistakes imaginable, and just generally being way in over their heads, because they "just want to help people". It'd be laughable if I wasn't being chosen over these sheep.
Still, grades are the best way we have of judging one's mental abilities, regardless of there always being people cheating the system.
I am an underachiever, but that doesn't mean I'm not smart. I got a D in math despite getting nearly 100% on all the tests because why should I do work "to learn" when I already know the material? And before somebody says "well you're going to have to do work when you have a job" I have one, and my boss has trusted me with training others to do my job (when there are other people who have worked there longer who he could ask) because I'm so good at it. I don't believe in doing /pointless/ work, give me a point, and I'll do the work. But I"m not going to waste my time doing some worksheet to learn a concept I already know.
@mgoveia, I feel you. I can only hope the sheepy people will soon enough be thrown out the back door and you get the job you deserve.
I can't think of a better system than the existing grading one but I do believe there should be some changes made, for example, we could get rid of sexism since it's so hard to catch the cheaters, apparetnly. My male colleagues often get the same grade as I do while their written part of the exam and their knowledge are about 3 times worse than mine. They say there's too many female students and too many female doctors (the ratio is 2:1 in favour of girls) but I'm outraged to see them try to "fix" the ratio by being sexist assholes. Then there's luck. Grades at the orals depend 70% on the mood of the examinator. If they're annoyed or simply don't like you, your knowledge is all in vain.
And when it comes down to it, everybody only cares about your grades and they judge you by that. *sighs* Sorry. /rant over
I don't know think it would work well for higher learning, but at least for elementary and middle schools (maybe high schools as well), I saw this suggestion on a point system where you start at zero and gain points and 'levels' kind of like experience gain in gaming. That way instead of always getting worse, you always get better, which would encourage some kids. Doing homework would gain you points, so would tests and other activities and there wouldn't necessarily be a percentage, so there's no "you only got 50% of everything done" it's just based on improving, and learning. There was also a suggestion that everything should be more integrated. Because guess what, when you're reading the Great Gatsby, wouldn't that be a good time to talk about the twenties? And it shouldn't just be core subjects either, it should be set up so that everyone can associate knowledge with something they enjoy so they have motivation to continue learning. Because, yes, we can't provide motivation for
at my school how we've done in class is considered in our final grades for the year. I got a D in the actual maths text but then got a C in my final grade because the teacher thought I'd been working hard throughout the year to catch up with the rest of the class
Students cheat because they fail to learn a subject. Your teacher may be truly unable to reach 50+ different learning style. Thank science you have phones and Internet and food to figure out the subject.
Joke aside, this is very true. Knowledge isn't as valued as good grades. Stupid, this. Like grades were ever a faithful representation of one's mental abilities.
The post SHOULD read: Students cheat...because they value internet more than knowledge.
Then I get to see all these tenderfeet at my job looking like deer in headlights, making the dumbest mistakes imaginable, and just generally being way in over their heads, because they "just want to help people". It'd be laughable if I wasn't being chosen over these sheep.
Still, grades are the best way we have of judging one's mental abilities, regardless of there always being people cheating the system.
I can't think of a better system than the existing grading one but I do believe there should be some changes made, for example, we could get rid of sexism since it's so hard to catch the cheaters, apparetnly. My male colleagues often get the same grade as I do while their written part of the exam and their knowledge are about 3 times worse than mine. They say there's too many female students and too many female doctors (the ratio is 2:1 in favour of girls) but I'm outraged to see them try to "fix" the ratio by being sexist assholes. Then there's luck. Grades at the orals depend 70% on the mood of the examinator. If they're annoyed or simply don't like you, your knowledge is all in vain.
And when it comes down to it, everybody only cares about your grades and they judge you by that. *sighs* Sorry. /rant over