but they sent a lot of civilians in as soldiers without guns, they were supposed to pick up a fallen comrades rifle and continue. they were expected to die and were hoping sheer numbers would overwhelm their enemy
Even if there were more casualties, I think we shouldn't put more emphasis on one than the other, mainly because at that point, it's too much to even imagine the losses of that many people and we should just focus on preventing stuff like that from happening. Sorry, I like to share my opinion.
there were more none Jews killed during the Holocaust than Jews. the overwhelming part about the Holocaust killing Jews is they almost wiped out an entire religion.
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They only teach you in schools what they want you to know. It never says in a history book in high school that the number of natives slaughtered in America when Columbus came out numbers both the number of Jews and chinese in wwII either. But it did.
I don't know where you're from or what you've been taught, because literally every American textbook always mentions the high amount of natives killed when Columbus came. And it wasn't just Americans who killed them, but many of the European countries.
Literally so ignorant of a comment witty one that it would be pointless for anyone to even try and explain to you why since it seems highly unlikely that you would comprehend it. Empress - I was switched to 7 different high schools across the U.S. over 4 years & completely agree that they do not come close to describing just how many native Americans were massacred when the Europeans first established the Americas.
You don't have to be so rude. I don't know where you went, but I'm taking AP US History and we always talk about how many Natives were killed and how unjust we were to them. And empress was talking about when Columbus came, and he came for the spanish. Spanish conquistadors killed and conquered hundred of thousands of natives. Plus, the Colombian exchange itself killed over 3/4 of the native population. I am, in no way, saying that Americans didn't kill natives because we did, for land, fear, and many other things and ways and I do admit that we killed hundreds of thousands, too. I'm just saying that the textbooks I read do say how many Indians have been killed.
I'm a history student. I don't know what the american textbooks say, because I don't live or go to school there. But I can confirm the things above and I can also tell you that in European history textbooks the numer of native Americans that were killed by Europeans is mentioned. When the Europeans came they brought diseases with them, which killed like almost the entire native population of america. They also killed a lot of natives, because they wanted power (f.i.) The rest of the population was indeed killed by the Americans (former-Europeans) themselves. But what you are teached also depends on the continent or country you live in. I live in Europe, so our history books mainly focuse on Europe and we also learn some things about the United States. We get to learn things about Asia, but not as much as we learn about Europe. But it still seems unreal to me that an American textbook won't mention the number of Indians that were killed, because America is not like North-Korea f.i.
I know here in Australia we learn some of the dark history of out past like the massacres and the stolen generation. Compared to the number of full blooded native Americans, Australia has no full blooded natives
That sounds very interesting, I've never heard of the stolen generation (or maybe we call it different here). I'm going to look that up. We do get to learn a few things about Australia here in Europe, but sadly enough the history of Australia is summarized in like 1 page.
Aww, that's a shame. When Britain had quite a firm grip of Australia (back when we had pounds and sang God Save the Queen as our National Anthem), we learnt a lot about British History. The Stolen Generation occured quite recently in the last century, it was only a couple of years ago in 2008 that our former PM, Kevin Rudd, apologised to the Indigenous Australians. Also, something else you might find interesting, the Government tried to "breed out" the Indigenous Australians. Have you seen the movie "Rabbit-Proof Fence?" That's a good example of how they did it. Also, the bloke who played Gilderoy Lockhart is in the movie haha.
I'm just gonna go back to your reply, amazingchocolate, but we are definitely not North Korea haha. American history is compromised of thousands of fuck-ups and we learn them and acknowledge that they were huge fuck-ups. People keep thinking that we're all those redneck hillbillies that all Americans get portrayed as when in reality there's not many of them. Most of us are willing to admit that we haven't done the best things before.
And thesakankid, I feel like Australian history is really interesting (I haven't learned much other than the basics), but from the things you've said, it sounds like a class that keeps you awake. XD
Hahaha, history wasn't my best subject, but I managed to learn via osmosis. Australian history is very short compared to American and European history. Apparently it stretches back 60 000 or so with indigenous Australians but no one written documents exist, only cave paintings and oral history which has been past down from generations which has probably warped slightly over time.
Also, As an Aussie, I don't picture Americans as the hillbilly stereotype. Sure there are those absolutely stereotypical pictures where you'd want to throw a brick at someone, but tbh I imagine you blokes as normal people :)
Also (so for the long post guys) what are these basics you speak of Australian history wittyusernamehere?
History definitely isn't my best either, but I actually like US History, which is something I would've never admitted last year. Did you like learning about it? That's a relief! Many people can't look past stereotypes.
Honestly, not much. Just how you guys came to be a country really and the first people and then boom! We were learning about Europe again (in my world history class last year).
Yeah, I found US history very interesting except we didn't learn very much about it :(. It was basically native Americans, Christopher Columbus, massacres and the comparison between the treatment of the natives of both countries. Honestly, if there was a little more content like other major historical American events like the boston tea party or the civil war, that would have been up my alley. I didn't know what the boston tea party was until I played assassins creed 3, tells you a lot about the education system here when a source of entertainment becomes educational. Haha, so u guys learnt about James cook and all? You know recently, a bloke who I think was part indigenous found a cave painting up in Queensland (which is a state) and it depicted a Dutch or Portuguese ship (I can't remember which) that arrive about 100 years before cook did!! Imagine us Aussies speaking Dutch haha. Yeah, some people especially in the country here believe stereotypes
@thesakanakid No, I haven't seen that movie. I'll look it up! And yes Australian history is very short, especially compared to European history. But American history, and by that I mean the history of the United States, is also very short. The only difference is that the US had a much bigger influence on Europe after the war. And yes :D a Dutch ship arrived in 1606, and they called Australia 'New-Holland', however they never made a colony of it. But I know that a lot of people from the Netherlands live in Australia, so a part of the Australian population does speak Dutch! haha. I also have family living in Australia, but planetickets are so expensive. Or you have to make a lot of intermediate stops. Too bad, because I would like to go there. @wittyusernamehere I also liked American history a lot! The history of the US was the subject of the final exams in the Netherlands, so we did learn a lot about it. To be honest, I thought I wouldn't like it a first, but that wasn't the case at all
@amazingchocolate I highly recommend that movie, it's quite good but very sad. I nearly cried in class when watching it. The dude who played Gilderoy Lockhart in HP is a bad guy in this movie, he's supposed to be the caretaker of the Indigenous Australians and was responsible for "selective breeding" of the indigenous children the government collected, weeding out the "lighter coloured" children so that they could cross breed with "lighter coloured" children so that they could produce non-indigenous looking people, thus wiping out the indigenous people and their customs. Here's a picture of how the process would look like. Also in Australia, it is highly insensitive when someone is indigenous, that you call them "half-caste" or "quarter cast". It is still very controversial for Indigenous people to be called that and not just Indigenous (or so I've heard). True that American History is short compared to European History, I remember learning some stuff about the middle ages in
junior high school. Haha, that's true about the Dutch here in Aussie. There was an amazing Dutch cake shop near my mum's office and she always brought back these little pastries that were amazing!! The husband I remember was Dutch but the wife I think was an Anglo-Aussie. That's great you have family in Australia! I know that in Sydney, it's expensive compared to other places. I'm sure if you saved up a bit, you could do a lightning visit here and travel to Kiwi-land next door haha. Whoops, I forgot the link for the pic, here: http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/essays/neville2.jpg You can hardly tell by the 4th generation. Some of my white friends have said that they have a far off ancestor that was Indigenous, but they are as pale as anything.
I've never heard of 'selective breeding' in Australia, so I'm definetely going to watch that movie. Thank you for sharing :-) by the way, we have this tv show in the Netherlands called 'all you need is love'. And every year around christmas time it is called 'all you need is love goes down under', because they reunite Dutch people with family or friends in Australia. Some of them haven't seen eachother for years and sometimes people have grandchildren they never met irl before. It is a very touching show, if you like to see it I have a link to an episode when 4 sisters see eachother again after a couple of years: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2kszS2nOrWU You can skip to the 9th or 10th minute, because I don't think you will understand the first part, because it's in Dutch :p
It's alright mate :), I think the Netherlands would be a beautiful place to visit. My friend went to the Netherlands and she really enjoyed it. I'd love to go visit, maybe go to the countryside, I'd love to see a windmill tho lol no offence, they look so beautiful :D. The sky looks really dim over there compared to here, my brother's friend who migrated from the Netherlands said that when he arrived here he couldn't get over how bright it was here! I guess there's a reason why we have the highest skin cancer rate in the world.... Aww, that's so cute they have a reunion on TV!!!! I attempted to learn some Dutch from an app I bought for free. I remember Aangenaam kennis maken (I don't think I spelt that right sorry)
The Netherlands is indeed a beautiful country, but if you live here you don't think about it or see it. But that is probably the same for every country. I live nearby Rotterdam and we call the area around Rotterdam the 'Randstand'. There are a lot of cities very close to eachother, it's almost like it's one big city. However, on the other side of the country it's the opposite. And about the sky: that's true unfortunately. At the moment the sky is grey :( (but it's 8 o'clock in the morning and it is going to rain today). And you spelt that right! But you have to add 1 word: 'te'. Aangenaam kennis te maken. Nice TO meet you :p but Dutch is a diffucult language, even for Dutch people. The way we construct a sentence is different than in English, so we can't just translate a sentence to english the we say it in dutch. That can be very difficult.
Ah, I see. yeah that is true with what you say about seeing your country from a different perspective non-locals. That's quite interesting about the cities sort of turning into one big city, that sorta sounds like over here in Sydney how some of what used to be country areas have turned into city scape areas. I know that where my friend used to live, it was an poultry farm. People started moving in 50 years ago and boom, it's a huge hotspot for trains now. Raining eh? Over here in Sydney we just had a massive thunderstorm, I thought the wifi was gonna cut out lol. Haha, I'm never good with particles in other languages hahaha. Dutch does sound very hard, but also very similar to English. The way you construct sentences in Dutch, do you put the verb in front of what you say like some other languages?
Yeahh rain in the Netherlands is nothing compared to the rain in Australia. But Australia does have very dry periods, which we don't have in the Netherlands. And what you said about Sidney is also exactly what happened here in the Randstad. Cities keep expanding until they can't expand anymore.
An example of a Dutch sentence translated to English is 'Ik doe dat nooit'. In English it is 'I never do that' and literally translated from Dutch it is 'I do that never'. Or 'I don't know' is 'I know don't' Also 'this book is about..' is in dutch 'this book goes about'.
That's true about the dry periods, we came out of a drought a few years ago. The farmers were having a hard time trying to grow their crops and feed their livestock. A lot of them were coping with mental health problems because of it :(. The part of Australia where I live has very pretty, forests Sydney is starting to also expand to the point of where urban sprawl (as we call it) could collide into our national forests. As a result, Parramatta (which has a lot of historical significance in Australian history) and a number of other popular suburbs which Aussies live in are starting to have numerous apartment complexes built.
Ah, I see. Very interesting, thanks for telling me that, it reminds me of French when describing things, how one word is put before another word.
They were also killed quite brutally. If you look it up it was called the rape of Nanking. Although it was really awful, the Japanese felt horrible after the war because of what they did. That was the idea behind the Godzilla movie, Godzilla had attacked Japan to punish them for what they did in the war.
And thesakankid, I feel like Australian history is really interesting (I haven't learned much other than the basics), but from the things you've said, it sounds like a class that keeps you awake. XD
Also, As an Aussie, I don't picture Americans as the hillbilly stereotype. Sure there are those absolutely stereotypical pictures where you'd want to throw a brick at someone, but tbh I imagine you blokes as normal people :)
Also (so for the long post guys) what are these basics you speak of Australian history wittyusernamehere?
Honestly, not much. Just how you guys came to be a country really and the first people and then boom! We were learning about Europe again (in my world history class last year).
An example of a Dutch sentence translated to English is 'Ik doe dat nooit'. In English it is 'I never do that' and literally translated from Dutch it is 'I do that never'. Or 'I don't know' is 'I know don't' Also 'this book is about..' is in dutch 'this book goes about'.
Ah, I see. Very interesting, thanks for telling me that, it reminds me of French when describing things, how one word is put before another word.