There are actually women who look for jobs in those areas but the employers don't hire them because they'd rather have a " strong man " even though some women can do better than some men.
And, honestly, you don't really hear much about any of the first three jobs anyway.
Whoever made this completely missed the point on equality.
Three jobs with predominantly male work force, then one with a typically mixed work group.
You're either saying that women whine too much, or men, once mixed with women are arseholes.
Either way, it's not incredibly imaginative or original.
Downvote all you like, this is what a feminist looks like.
there's a lot of male kindergarten teachers- it makes sense for women more though because a lot of us have a natural motherly, nurturing instinct. Cleaning ladies- it's sort of in the name 'ladies'. you see a lot of male cleaners, but cleaning ladies is obviously all female. cantine cooks, i'll give you. but with kindergarten teachers- like the jobs such as building, it's just sort of biological logic- men are naturally usually stronger than women and women are naturally usually more nurturing than men.
I call bullshit. Women and men can be equally nurturing. The idea that women are naturally more equipt to take care of others is why so many men don't involve themselves 100% in their parenting duties. Women are not frail creatures, and men are not stone cold and incapable of nurturing. Women choose these professions because when it comes down to it, mothers are expected to prepare for motherhood and choose a career that allows for it. Men are not expected to prepare for a career that allows for fatherhood. Women are expected to choose a career that pays less, in return for more flexibility to care for sick children and other parental responsibilities, that men are not expected to take on.
sailor: yeah, that's what I actually meant. There are some things only men are capable of, like working with heavy stuff. That's why nobody complains about inequality when it comes to these jobs. Women, on the other hand, are biologically more nurturing (and that is a fact, snark, even though it changes from person to person, obviously). Sitting in an office and typing into a computer has no such requirement as physical strenght or empathy. Anyone can do it. Which is why it pisses some women off that it's mostly guys who get these jobs. Truth be told, though, many employers expect women to have children, so they just hire a guy so they don't have to worry about paying someone for not working for a few months (=being on a maternal leave), which is pretty unfair considering not all women want to have children, and even if they do, should they really be forced to make the desicion between career and family?
In addition, if all employers thought that way, they'd be making the future generations dumber and dumber. Why? Because smart women will pursue their careers that make them happy, while dumb people will be breeding like rabbits. It's like reverted Natural Selection. In a few generations, we'll be fucked.
"Spouting off gender stereotypes?" Are you fucking stupid? Seriously, I could pull out a hundred articles claiming the opposite for these two you have here. If you truly believe that two internet articles are a 100% reliable source, you're gonna have a bad time.
There ARE differences between men and women. More physiological than psychological, but they are there. I'm not saying women are incapable of working with heavy things, nor that men are incapable of being nurturing, I'm just saying that each gender has an advantage in one of these things. For men, it's much easier to grow muscles. Their metabolism just works that way. For women, it's easier to empathize, which is not a result of very different psychology, but of being raised in belief that one day you'll have children to take care of. Do you know why this is not taught to boys as much as to girls? Because a man can just walk away from a child (which is a bad thing to do, but it happens), but a mother can't...
...because of imprinting, which is a process in the woman's brain that makes her "forget" the pain of childbirth and love her child. It's hormones that cause this love, and it's biological. So yeah, women are taught to be more nurturing than men, but it makes sense since mothers love their kids in a different way than fathers. I'm not saying men aren't capable of emotions, just that the love between a mother and a child will always be something different than between a father and a child.
Yeah, and yet you haven't sited any sources or studies. And guess what, im a mother of 2. Which means I am actually quite equipped to tell you that the love is the same. Do you think adopted children are loved less by their parents then by biological children are?
I've also had experience dealing with case workers and CPS in my work. Mothers walk off and leave hildren too. Or worse, they do drugs while pregnant. Being a woman doesnt make you a good parent. Being a good person does. I've seen abusive mothers and fathers. I know men who have custody of their children and women who do. Physiological and physical differences are more pronounced from person to person than from simply male to female. Overal, taking into account the breadth and depth of differences, the mean is that there are really no differences.
You're still just spouting opinion, rather than fact.
Here's a pubmed research study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25576312/?i=3&from=gender%20stereotypes
Oh, so first you cite meaningless internet articles, but then REFUSE to acknowledge the facts that I've served you right under your nose? Seriously, what's your IQ? 10? It's okay, you're playing the experience card, I get that. But hell, if you're gonna spout "researches" and what not and then act like you're omniscient just because you're a mother? No, I'm not taking that.
And yes, from the scientific point of view parents will always prefer their biological child to the adopted ones. Of course it's not recognizable because most famillies that adopt do it because they can't have children of their own, and they're grateful for the opportunity to raise a child, even though it's not theirs. If what you say was true, how come there's still overpopulation? How come some famillies don't just decide to adopt because they don't want to go through the horrors of pregnancy and childbirth? Because it doesn't work that way!
And oh please, stop with this "we're all the same" nonsense. We're different, but being different doesn't mean being unequal. It's past time you realized that.
Hm, doin't like that im right huh? I've always found that itbinteresting how some people need to result to personal insults rather than being content with their own knowldege. Interesting.
I never said we were the same. I also never said that oxytocin isnt a legitimate process of childbirth or helps bonding. I think you need to look up the difference of causation and corrolation. overpopulation has a lot more to do with no access to contraceptives than the fact that childbirth sucks, and people put up with it for children. Thats why the highest birthrates and increases are in countries with no access to contraceptives.
Your taking real, credible information, and completely misconstruing and misinterpreting data.
I personally know multiple couples who have both biological, and adopted children. The idea that they love their genetic children more, is offensive.
"Don't like that I'm right." Yeah. I was literally just listing reasons why you're not right and you say this? It's hard to contain myself from writing an insult on your intelligence when you write bullshit like that.
So, I shall repeat slowly for you to understand: Being. A mother. Doesn't. Mean. You. Know. Everything.
Cause you don't. In fact you're hella far from it.
Besides, it was you who started with the personal insults, so cut the crap. "You're just spouting gender stereotypes", remember? It's as much of an insult as what I wrote, only less direct and thus less honest. Don't make yourself into something better. I would've never started if it wasn't for you accusing me of that stuff in the first place.
And please, for the love of everything, learn to spell.
Oh, and FYI, there are actually a lot of couples who choose adoption instead of having their own children. I have a close personal friend who adopted two children with Down syndrome, then had 2 of her own.
It's actually a growing trend in America and Europe. Not knowing about something doesn't mean it does'nt exist.
I fail to see how questioning my intellegence, calling me and idiot, is the same as making a statement.
And at no point have i said that being a mother makes me an expert, but that it is where part of my knowledge comes from.
And yes, you are wrong. And have still failed to provide any links or credible sources for your opinion, whereas i have provided several, mostly from a highly respected medical journal.
You don't agree. Ok. But i have done my research. I have extensive knowledge in both the physiological and phsychological nature of both sex's, along with a lot of personal knowledge from working in the medical field for over 10 years. I've read multiple books on the subject by researchers. Since you called my knowledge into question, what are your credentials and resources for your opinion?
Trend in science speak is not the same as in the media or fashion. In the scientific comunity, it means "a growing number."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trend
The first article deals with genetic differences with immunity, the third that things are processed differently in the brain, and the third in emotions.
Not a single one adressed or even has anything to do with women being more nurturing than men.
Like i said, i never said that women and men are the same. But the idea that women are more nurturing is not backed up by science. And the stereotype isnt even 500 years old. Durring the middle ages and before, men were responsible for nurturing and teaching their children as much as yhe mother was. The rise of merchant class in Europe, and how it chsnged gender roles, is where the stereotype comes from. 500 years does not undo thousands of years of genetic propencity. It is not a scientific phenomena, its a psychological and societal.
The internet is actually one of the best places to get information. You just have to make sure it's credible and accurate, which is why i sited pubmed.
This is actually completly inaccurate. There have been lawsuits because sanitation companies and coal mines refused to hire women who were quilified and physically able. In the past 10 years there's been a huge influx of women being hired in ALL these fields because women DO want to work these jobs, and are no longer being prohibited from being hired. Get your facts straight and do your research before assuming that everything posted on tumblr is truth.
Guys. The idea is equal opportunity. What if less women apply to be garbage disposal people. It's only a call for equality if either sex is denied the job due to their sex.
I think the point in that case is just that it's okay for men and women to have different rules in society. That is an Idea that is lost on many progressives.
Then you have the worst of them who shoot their own foot off by arguing that women have to act like men or they will never feel fulfilled. :P
Because we live in a world where if your a male you chances of being beloved to do a job better is higher. And all those jobs have less educated jobs. No one want that shitty job. Every body wants job that make money.
And, honestly, you don't really hear much about any of the first three jobs anyway.
Three jobs with predominantly male work force, then one with a typically mixed work group.
You're either saying that women whine too much, or men, once mixed with women are arseholes.
Either way, it's not incredibly imaginative or original.
Downvote all you like, this is what a feminist looks like.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-02/science-confirms-obvious-men-and-women-arent-different
http://www.apa.org/research/action/difference.aspx
There ARE differences between men and women. More physiological than psychological, but they are there. I'm not saying women are incapable of working with heavy things, nor that men are incapable of being nurturing, I'm just saying that each gender has an advantage in one of these things. For men, it's much easier to grow muscles. Their metabolism just works that way. For women, it's easier to empathize, which is not a result of very different psychology, but of being raised in belief that one day you'll have children to take care of. Do you know why this is not taught to boys as much as to girls? Because a man can just walk away from a child (which is a bad thing to do, but it happens), but a mother can't...
I've also had experience dealing with case workers and CPS in my work. Mothers walk off and leave hildren too. Or worse, they do drugs while pregnant. Being a woman doesnt make you a good parent. Being a good person does. I've seen abusive mothers and fathers. I know men who have custody of their children and women who do. Physiological and physical differences are more pronounced from person to person than from simply male to female. Overal, taking into account the breadth and depth of differences, the mean is that there are really no differences.
You're still just spouting opinion, rather than fact.
Here's a pubmed research study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25576312/?i=3&from=gender%20stereotypes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22545746/?i=37&from=/25576312/related
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/8126651/?i=4&from=/22201645/related
And yes, from the scientific point of view parents will always prefer their biological child to the adopted ones. Of course it's not recognizable because most famillies that adopt do it because they can't have children of their own, and they're grateful for the opportunity to raise a child, even though it's not theirs. If what you say was true, how come there's still overpopulation? How come some famillies don't just decide to adopt because they don't want to go through the horrors of pregnancy and childbirth? Because it doesn't work that way!
I never said we were the same. I also never said that oxytocin isnt a legitimate process of childbirth or helps bonding. I think you need to look up the difference of causation and corrolation. overpopulation has a lot more to do with no access to contraceptives than the fact that childbirth sucks, and people put up with it for children. Thats why the highest birthrates and increases are in countries with no access to contraceptives.
Your taking real, credible information, and completely misconstruing and misinterpreting data.
I personally know multiple couples who have both biological, and adopted children. The idea that they love their genetic children more, is offensive.
So, I shall repeat slowly for you to understand: Being. A mother. Doesn't. Mean. You. Know. Everything.
Cause you don't. In fact you're hella far from it.
Besides, it was you who started with the personal insults, so cut the crap. "You're just spouting gender stereotypes", remember? It's as much of an insult as what I wrote, only less direct and thus less honest. Don't make yourself into something better. I would've never started if it wasn't for you accusing me of that stuff in the first place.
And please, for the love of everything, learn to spell.
It's actually a growing trend in America and Europe. Not knowing about something doesn't mean it does'nt exist.
And at no point have i said that being a mother makes me an expert, but that it is where part of my knowledge comes from.
And yes, you are wrong. And have still failed to provide any links or credible sources for your opinion, whereas i have provided several, mostly from a highly respected medical journal.
You don't agree. Ok. But i have done my research. I have extensive knowledge in both the physiological and phsychological nature of both sex's, along with a lot of personal knowledge from working in the medical field for over 10 years. I've read multiple books on the subject by researchers. Since you called my knowledge into question, what are your credentials and resources for your opinion?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trend
http://blog.oup.com/2014/08/sex-differences-biomedical-research/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/different-brain-wiring-in-men-women-could-explain-gender-differences/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/mind_brain/gender_difference/
Not a single one adressed or even has anything to do with women being more nurturing than men.
Like i said, i never said that women and men are the same. But the idea that women are more nurturing is not backed up by science. And the stereotype isnt even 500 years old. Durring the middle ages and before, men were responsible for nurturing and teaching their children as much as yhe mother was. The rise of merchant class in Europe, and how it chsnged gender roles, is where the stereotype comes from. 500 years does not undo thousands of years of genetic propencity. It is not a scientific phenomena, its a psychological and societal.
Then you have the worst of them who shoot their own foot off by arguing that women have to act like men or they will never feel fulfilled. :P