It's much more common for women to come forward about rape than men. Rape happens to both sexes and it's a terrible experience for both sexes. Many states in the US didn't consider men could be rape victims until the 90's. In New York, for the longest time, rape was described as "nonconsensual penetration" which meant women couldn't rape men only men could rape men and women.
I never said that it didn't happen to both gender. However, it is a fact that it happens to woman more often, but it happens to men too. Gosh, please don't twist my words.
Here's the thing, those individuals who rape others, men and women, don't have the same morale compass as you or I do. They'll rape no matter what you tell them. Teaching all men not to rape would be similar to a dog barking up a tree at a squirrel. The goddamn squirek won't come down. Those who rape will do so and those who don't wont. I don't condone rape or rapists but I'd rather everyone, not just women, be taught to defend themselves from others.
While there's a need to educate people in defending themselves, it's not like people are born with the instinct to start humping a random person. If we teach people when they're still learning the ways of the world, they'll be able to understand that they shouldn't assault people. There are dogs that never bark because they grew up in an environment that didn't support it. If we act early, we can change people for the better.
Many rapists have a predisposition to becoming rapists later in life. Your unconscious mind supresses your innapropriatte sexual urges but in some people those urges can't be controlled. Mentally or physically. In others rape is brought on by an abusive childhood in which a child feels as if they're a lesser beings and so, much similar to bullies, they turn to abusing others in order to feel as if they have power. It's much much more complicated than just teaching men not to rape.
Damn straight!
Also, rapists are minority amongst humans in general. Do you want to traumatize, scar, and ruin young boys just for the sake of nipping the bud of something that probably won't come to pass regardless?
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Now, I don't mean enforcing a certain mentality via force or harming young boys (and girls, because while female rapists are definitely more rare, they still do exist). The reason I said what I said is that we can try to help children who came from abusiclve pasts. While we can try to help everyone, if what you said is true, a minority of the children will never be able to control themselves, and while that means the problem is not eradicated completely, at least some people were educated about sexual abuse and not to do it. And I definitely do not ever want to traumatize, scar or ruin a child. I wish them to learn in a safe, supportive environment. (Also, how would teaching them this ruin them? I'm not arguing, i'm curious, because I never thought that this sort of education would negatively affect these kids if it was done properly) Finally, thank you both for being cordial and properly spoken, because as you know sometimes people on the internet can be completely incomprehensible.
Yeah, this is a completely idiotic statement. Should we get rid of all self defense classes and security guards and instead "teach people not to kill" or "teach people not to steal?"
No, because that is naive and stupid because those individuals who would do these things, are going to do it anyway whether you "teach" them or not.
A normal man knows rape is wrong. But actual rapists don't give a damn and will rape anyway. Don't you want women to have at least some defensive knowledge anyways?
The age of a person shouldn't dictate whether or not they are believable but by analyzing how he lived and his actions while he was living makes his 'advice' entirely irrelevant and null.
A lot of things in my opinion cancel out his validity not just his being a drug addict but that is a large factor. Kurt Cobain said it himself that he'd rather go out with a bang than fall into obscurity and he's done just that but if this were some other drugie who wasn't famous at one point would this quote or any of this conversation see the light of day? No.
He was a lot more than just a druggie. Being a drug addict does not make you a bad person. Not that that's what you were saying, but he can still have a perfectly good perception of what is right and wrong even if he did have a heroin problem.
You're correct but he wasn't psychologically sound in anyway therefore to take advice on an issue that requires more than just going to the source to solve would be completely asinine.
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A perception of morality is something everyone has but everyone perceives morality differently, which is why rape happens. The overall consensus of people in society perceive rape, some societies condoned it, as wrong so him saying this is nothing new. Other than his credibility issues, which is the focus of my argument in this thread, so many things are wrong with his statement. I've stated them in another thread. Kurt Cobain holds no weight in this subject.
You can't tell a sick person not to rape someone, they're not gonna listen. Rapists have twisted minds. Its not like Dora where you tell Swiper "swiper no swiping" and he stops immediately. No. Yes, you can teach people morals, but if a person is twisted enough to rape or hurt someone else, then they're gonna ignore the lessons. And it doesn't hurt to learn self defense against rape attempts.
Okay but it's like having your doors locked at night. If someones wants to rob you they're gonna do it anyway.
So, yes, we should do both, but I do like how more emphasis is put on self defense because rapists will stil rape, and if you're put into that situation it's best to know how to handle it.
Men can get raped, too. Sure, it's more rare, but women-this is coming from a woman-are easier to sympathise with. It's easier to believe they can get raped. But when a man gets raped, he is deemed weak-not that women aren't-and most likely very few people will empathize with him. This also applies to boys. Girls and women are more susceptible to rape, and it happens more to them, but male rape gets next to no recognition. In fact, some people-a lot of people-don't think men/boys can get raped. Sorry for the lecture, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.
"Don't teach me to lock my door, teach burglars not to burgle."
"Don't teach me not to count my money in public, teach muggers not to mug."
"Don't teach me not to wear gang colors in violent neighborhoods, teach gangsters not to be violent."
Only retarded people think this way. There is no rape culture. Our culture is extremely against rape. If Kurt actually said this he should definitely stick to his guitar because he has no idea what he's talking about.
It's been proven that the current prison system is ineffective. A vast majority of those who leave prison return to an environment that condones crime therefore they return to crime. Prisons are not rehabilitation centers, they're a place where we put adults in time out like they're children so the common people don't have to deal with them until they get out. Punishment should be more severe in my opinion than time out. Prison doesn't teach anything.
I think the reason of prison is to keep them away from doing what got them in there in the first place. It's not a form of rehabilitation unless the prison offers it.
So of course they won't learn from it since that's not what they're trying to do.
But they are trying to do that. In most modern countries the mission statement of correctional facilities are threefold. They're designed for punishment, deterrence, and rehabilitation. Whether or not they are successful is a different matter but those are, in fact, their goals.
Also I will point out that a lot of people who commit crimes don't have a faulty moral compass, they just don't listen to it.
A quote from Kurt Cobain...did you ever read the stuff he wrote about ####ing babies? Search his personal journal online and see what sick thoughts he put on paper.
Also, rapists are minority amongst humans in general. Do you want to traumatize, scar, and ruin young boys just for the sake of nipping the bud of something that probably won't come to pass regardless?
No, because that is naive and stupid because those individuals who would do these things, are going to do it anyway whether you "teach" them or not.
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A perception of morality is something everyone has but everyone perceives morality differently, which is why rape happens. The overall consensus of people in society perceive rape, some societies condoned it, as wrong so him saying this is nothing new. Other than his credibility issues, which is the focus of my argument in this thread, so many things are wrong with his statement. I've stated them in another thread. Kurt Cobain holds no weight in this subject.
So, yes, we should do both, but I do like how more emphasis is put on self defense because rapists will stil rape, and if you're put into that situation it's best to know how to handle it.
(Sarcasm)
"Don't teach me not to count my money in public, teach muggers not to mug."
"Don't teach me not to wear gang colors in violent neighborhoods, teach gangsters not to be violent."
Only retarded people think this way. There is no rape culture. Our culture is extremely against rape. If Kurt actually said this he should definitely stick to his guitar because he has no idea what he's talking about.
So of course they won't learn from it since that's not what they're trying to do.
Also I will point out that a lot of people who commit crimes don't have a faulty moral compass, they just don't listen to it.