I'm pretty damn sure the vast majority of them were violent criminals.
Do not disgrace the flag over the loss of those who only take from their communities.
Read his string of vicious comments and you'll see. Besides, police aren't supposed to murder, they're supposed to catch criminals so that they can get a proper trail. Assuming of course that were talking about criminals and not about the dozens of innocent victims shot by the cops. Harvard is most likely talking about the latter.
Well I guess they should handcuff the guy shooting at them. Maybe try to talk to the guy who's busy stabbing another person. Hell, maybe tell the naked guy eating someone's face off to chill out and finish. You're so naive. Get real.
And guess what? Not all police victims are criminals. There are many people shot and killed by police with no real reason. An actual criminal should be taken care of to save others in the public, but many people are innocent, or deserve a fair trial.
http://www.innocentdown.org
What about George Brown? He robbed a store, was unarmed, but was shot and killed by police. Does a small crime like that mean death? They should be arrested, maybe tried, but not shot
The thing people like to forget is that the violence against police has risen along with the violence against other people. I do understand that there are bad police officers but you have to also realize that there are more bad people than bad police officers. Just yesterday a police officer was hit with a hammer repeatedly before her partner could stop him. He shot the attacker, whom is now in critical care while the officer went to the ER. A bad seed doesn't spoil a whole barrel.
But he's right. That's the source of recent controversy. People are being judged, not by the content of their character, but by the color of their skin.
So if there is something more dangerous, it shouldn't matter?
I like mangoes. There are mangoes in Costa Rica that are sweeter and juicier, so I can't like local mangoes?
Yes and no.
To the (local) domestic community, being (unreasonably) shot may be a clear and present danger to some ethnic, racial, and economic denominations. To those in hostile territories, being shot at all is a clear and present danger by nature of the assignment, so it's relatively not an "extreme danger". To us at home, we shouldn't have to fear for our lives at all so these numbers may very well indicate a danger that needs hard and fast attention.
Oops, got the numbers backwards, it's 320 million. That's 0.0000012% of the population over 5 months. In contrast, ~10,000 people died from alcohol related vehicle accidents in 2012. That's 0.000031% of the US population (still a small number), but do you really still think police are the problem?
The whole point of the American Revolution was that people shouldn't fear their government. So yes, it's a problem. One of many, but a problem nevertheless.
Guest, are you a fucktard? Police are meant to protect people. So just because a lot of people die, does that mean that it shouldn't matter anymore? The families, friends that are affected don't matter because a lot have gone through the same?
My point was that a lot of people HAVEN'T died. 388 out of 320 million is an extremely small number. I willing to be my left testicle that the number of people helped and/or saved by police in those 5 months is FAR higher. And to answer your first question kibbles, no I'm not a fucktard...I'm actually fairly good at sex.
So there's only a problem if the number of deaths is higher than the number of people saved? Something tells me you wouldn't go to 49/51 before conceding that maybe things could be improved. People draw the line at different points, that's all. For a lot of people, the 0.0000012% that you see is 388 destroyed families too many - notwithstanding the argument about how many of those people deserved to die.
So with the guest's logic, does the holocaust not matter? Do wars and killings don't matter? Oh, there are more people alive than those who just died. So if you died, should we not care because there are 7billion other people?
It's a spectrum. I'm simply saying that 388 people killed by police out of a population of 320 million is not necessarily a problem, nor is it a problem large enough to warrant change. Ya, it sucks for some of those families who no longer have their loved ones with them, but people die ALL THE TIME. If the police were offing a certain group of people left and right and calling for all of them to be brought into concentration camps, I'd stand up at fight. But, this whole police thing, is just making mountains out of molehills. Again, 388 people out of 320 MILLION people is insignificant. Are you guys out fighting abortion? Because in 2011, ~730,000 legal abortions were performed. That's 730,000 potential lives taken away. (I'm pro-choice btw). Don't lecture me on lives taken/lives saved by police when there are MUCH bigger issues and lives lost that would have a FAR greater impact than anything the police are throwing at us.
Guest is the only one here with a brain. He didn't even stress the fact that most of those deaths were justified. You don't stop violent criminals with kind words. You stop them with equal or superior force. The best form of that force is usually a bullet.
No one is saying it don't happen kibbles. But don't be so stupid. You surely must realize that listing the number of police shootings as a number without qualifying how many were brutality and not shootings of violent criminals does nothinG at all to help your case right? For example, the cop who shot the man in SC recently ought to get the death penalty for murder. That was police brutality. but if 300 out of the 388 were justified it hardly signals an epidemic like people want to paint it. It simply means that when you give a few high school drop outs a badge and a gun a few of them will abuse it. Punish them and take it on a case by case basis.
Kibbles, the police are NOT there to protect people, according to SCOTUS they are to "protect and serve" the law. You need to actively engage in preserving your own safety. I'm getting real tired if the daily assaults on LEOs. They are fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, and children to somebody. Two of my brothers are LE professionals and if not for severe injury so would I be. Blue lives matter.
Do not disgrace the flag over the loss of those who only take from their communities.
http://www.innocentdown.org
What about George Brown? He robbed a store, was unarmed, but was shot and killed by police. Does a small crime like that mean death? They should be arrested, maybe tried, but not shot
I like mangoes. There are mangoes in Costa Rica that are sweeter and juicier, so I can't like local mangoes?
To the (local) domestic community, being (unreasonably) shot may be a clear and present danger to some ethnic, racial, and economic denominations. To those in hostile territories, being shot at all is a clear and present danger by nature of the assignment, so it's relatively not an "extreme danger". To us at home, we shouldn't have to fear for our lives at all so these numbers may very well indicate a danger that needs hard and fast attention.
http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-police-shootings-have-there-been-aftermath-michael-browns-death-absence-police-1659882
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_States