I currently don't have health insurance, and it is specifically because of obamacare. Many people I know have been royally fucked because the government got involved. The government is known for not being able to run anything smoothly. If you want your hospitals to be as efficient as the DMV, then get the government involved. Otherwise, find a better option. I'm not against getting healthcare for everyone. I just don't want the government to be the ones doing it.
I understand what you're saying, but if most of the other countries in the world can do it that way, why shouldn't the USA be able to model a decent healthcare system via the government?
I work at a to prep company, and someone I helped once faced $16K in debt to the IRS because of the ACA. She only made about $20K that year :/
I'm not opposed to the principle of healthcare, but it has to be done right.
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· 9 years ago
I fucking love being Canadian. If I need a medication or treatment to stay alive I get it. Need a CT scan? Just go to the hospital. Need chemo? Taken care of. Only optional things like birth control and some antidepressants cost money, and only if you have no health coverage. Still cheaper than the states
@ericar1993 "Only optional things like birth control and some antidepressants cost money" that is untrue. But you're probably right about it costing less than what it must cost in the U.S. Also, "If I need a medication or treatment to stay alive I get it." If that was said AS A CANADIAN (hopefully you know what I mean) then that too, is untrue.
Uh yes it is true. If I can't afford a prescription for antibiotics I can go to the hospital and get them there, intravenously, for free. I can also claim medical expenses on my taxes for prescriptions, splints, allergy meds, any medication actually and I will receive money back from the government with my tax refund. And there are places and organizations to get meds cheaper, like going to a local sexual health clinic for cheap birth control. Medications and treatments are WAY cheaper in Canada than the US
Having to wait isn't what's being discussed though.
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Is guest paying for the MRI? Nope, its free. Its no one's fault that there is a wait, that has to do with the number of people in need of it, not the funding or cost of Canadian healthcare. Thank you Norwegian Girl :) Glad to see someone else staying on topic
A friend who earns way less than me pays less than 50 dollars on health care for Obamacare. She has gotten 6 types of surgeries nearly free. While I have to pay 600 dollars and can barely get an MRI. Welcome to communism thank you Obama.
That's not communism, that's capitalism. One provider is offering a service for less because there are more people paying into it. You choose to pay a premium for your choice of provider, who has substantially less customers. Everybody forgets that governments are businesses. Giant monopolies, who attempt to outlaw monopolies.
I know there are businesses but capitalism is a modest transition to communism. Where wealth is distributed to those less wealthy in a smaller scale. Obamas theory is that those with more should pay more than those with less, but the twist comes when those with less obtain more instead of giving any percentage. That's branch of communism which they call capitalism.
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I agree with thepacifist and also, Obamacare has all kinds of weird stipulations and it seems no one really understands it all. For instance I believe one clause gives doctors monetary reimbursements for recommending cheaper medicines? Or some type of medicine. Or something to that affect (sorry if that's incorrect but I remember reading something similar - don't quote me on that). And what I don't understand is why everyone wants to tax the wealthy so much? I want to help the poor and I don't make a lot of money but why should we tax the hell out of the wealthy? They earned their money, and obviously SOME are crooked but why do people act like it's bad to have money and be rich? I don't think it's fair at all. And I'm sorry if someone disagrees, this is just my opinion, I don't mean to offend!!! Have a nice day! :)
Well, for the second part of tax the wealthy it's for certain reasons. Like yes they worked for their money, but they are rolling around in it while some people can't even make ends meet. There have been politicians that get PAID to go over seas and do fine dining to meet with foreign politicians.
And think about it like this. Let's say 8% is tax. Let's say the average person makes $100 a year. 8% of 100 is 8. Now let's say some wealthy people make 100,000. 8% of that is $800. Notice how it makes more of a significant dent in the money of the people who don't make as much. The wealthy people have plenty of money to spare except when they live extravagantly.
It's better to tax the rich because while some people can't even go to the doctor without dipping into a savings account that doesn't even have enough money in it in the first place, people can buy that 24k ice cream whenever they want.
You're generalizing rich people.
Also, politicians exempt themselves from taxes.
Targeting those well off only hurt everyone who isn't under the poverty line.
Given enough time, it would hurt them too.
And how would it hurt anyone by taxing more fortunate people a little bit more. Now I'm not talking about beating all the money out of them, but after a certain amount you can bear to get a little less for the greater good.
And politicians shouldn't be able to exempt themselves, it's ridiculous like when they voted themselves raises.
You think taxing the rich won't end up with them losing a lot? The taxes will escalate, regardless of where they start. People will realize that the rich can lose a lot and still put food on the table. Eventually, supporting the greater good will make success unappealing, or cause the rich business owners and office workers to either cut quality, cut employment, or raise prices.
Any of those would leave us all worse off than before.
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Concerning your last point, I'm in complete agreement.
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Yes, famousone, that is why I think taxing the wealthy, at least excessively, is unfair! It just seems to be a lot of people's solution to everything. I don't understand why it's bad to have money. Like fairytale said "they are rolling around in it while some people can't make ends meet." That isn't the wealthy' s fault. And they shouldn't have to pay for the people who didn't succeed financially (I don't mean that to sound mean, I think the lower class should get help and aid, but not mainly through the taxes from the rich). I understand they should want to give money for good causes, but implementing taxes, especially when so many call for them to be taxed at such a high rate, is unfair.
Have a nice day :) sorry if you disagree
As a non-American, I don't understand what the issue is with Obamacare. Isn't it free health care? Isn't that a good thing? And can someone please explain to me why so many are against it?
"I don't understand what the issue is with Obamacare. Isn't it free health care?"
No. Obamacare has very little to do with actual health care. Obamacare created new rules for health insurance companies and mandates that all U.S. citizens have health insurance. It's actually not as awesome as Obama and the democrats make it seem.
For one, if you don't get obamacare, you're fined for it. My husband buys our insurance through a private company because the insurance where he works in minimal. When it came time for taxes, our tax guy didn't understand what I was saying when I said we have to pay for our own healthcare. He thought I meant we pay each dr out-of-pocket. He nearly fined us 2K! When I explained it again, he understood and saved us 2K.
Ppl here who can't afford healthcare and don't get obamacare are fined for it. And a lot of sheeple who believed his hype from the beginning signed up for it without paying attention to all the print. They watched the news and announcements and thought it was the grandest dang thing they've seen since his election. One woman was at my aunt's dental office and when it came time to checkout, she got all offended and angry. When the office worker told her what she owed, she refused to pay, saying she had obamacare and Obama promised to pay all her expenses. Mmm, not quite.
Nothing in life is free. Someone somewhere has to pay. He promised we wouldn't be taxed. Well, who's going to pay for the services then? It sure as heck isn't any of them in DC. We all got taxed additionally for his movement.
Adolf Hitler said, "The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one." He said to tell a big enough lie and repeat it often, and ppl will believe it. And so history repeats itself.
It is easier for me to be poor in America because the government will provide for me without having to work so hard. That statement is what's wrong with this country.
Americans have the *Right* to "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness." Pursuit means you get to do the things that you beleive will lead to your happiness, but it's not a guarantee. There's no "Right" to health care or welfare or any stuff that requires other people to pay..."Free" may be free to you but someone has to pay.
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Interestingly, the pro-abortion people would like to take away the right to *Life,* which is in the Declaration of Independence, and are the same ones imagining other rights (that taxpayers would pay for).
Your first point is spot on, but regarding your second, people can't agree on whether life starts at conception or birth. Pro-choice people simply don't believe life starts until birth, so they see themselves depriving anyone of life.
Remember the Obama meme with the kid building a block tower?
"Wow, looks like you worked really hard to build all this. Now we're gonna take half your Legos away and give them to the kids who've been napping all day.
...It's only fair."
I wouldn't be surprised if this is what was said. Politicians are only capable of using fear tactics and fallacies. The occasional politician rises above that, but only rarely.
This is a perfectly understandable conversation to have in a court room of people fighting to continue to monetarily enslave an entire nation by making citizens pay more than they earn to not die.
I'm not opposed to the principle of healthcare, but it has to be done right.
And think about it like this. Let's say 8% is tax. Let's say the average person makes $100 a year. 8% of 100 is 8. Now let's say some wealthy people make 100,000. 8% of that is $800. Notice how it makes more of a significant dent in the money of the people who don't make as much. The wealthy people have plenty of money to spare except when they live extravagantly.
It's better to tax the rich because while some people can't even go to the doctor without dipping into a savings account that doesn't even have enough money in it in the first place, people can buy that 24k ice cream whenever they want.
Also, politicians exempt themselves from taxes.
Targeting those well off only hurt everyone who isn't under the poverty line.
Given enough time, it would hurt them too.
And politicians shouldn't be able to exempt themselves, it's ridiculous like when they voted themselves raises.
Any of those would leave us all worse off than before.
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Concerning your last point, I'm in complete agreement.
Have a nice day :) sorry if you disagree
No. Obamacare has very little to do with actual health care. Obamacare created new rules for health insurance companies and mandates that all U.S. citizens have health insurance. It's actually not as awesome as Obama and the democrats make it seem.
Ppl here who can't afford healthcare and don't get obamacare are fined for it. And a lot of sheeple who believed his hype from the beginning signed up for it without paying attention to all the print. They watched the news and announcements and thought it was the grandest dang thing they've seen since his election. One woman was at my aunt's dental office and when it came time to checkout, she got all offended and angry. When the office worker told her what she owed, she refused to pay, saying she had obamacare and Obama promised to pay all her expenses. Mmm, not quite.
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Interestingly, the pro-abortion people would like to take away the right to *Life,* which is in the Declaration of Independence, and are the same ones imagining other rights (that taxpayers would pay for).
"Wow, looks like you worked really hard to build all this. Now we're gonna take half your Legos away and give them to the kids who've been napping all day.
...It's only fair."