If I had someone at my bar who drunk way too much but still wants to drive anyway, I try to take their car keys and just act like they've probsbly lost them.
Sports bar I work at told me repeatedly when I was training that if I over served and someone got into an accident the restaraunt will get sued and I'll be in jail
Personal R.E.S.P.O.N.S.I.B.I.L.I.T.Y.
No one kidnaps the barflies and pours alcohol down their throats. If you make a choice to go to a bar, and you make a choice to drink to inebriation, and you make a choice to get behind the wheel, YOU are responsible for your actions. And, frankly, you are a piece of shit.
7
deleted
· 7 years ago
Correct. But that doesn't help the people on the road. Prevention IS sometimes the best medicine.
But you can't arbitrarily run other people's lives for them. That's socialism, and regardless what the young skulls full of mush on the internet think of socialism, bar patrons would not stand for it.
I was very nearly killed by a drunk driver about ten years ago but you know what? It was his fault, not the bartender.
You can't arbitrarily prevent some dumbass hitting you on the road because he was looking at his phone or radio; where's the difference? Stiffer laws would be a start, but you can't stop idiots being idiots.
That said, Ohio has a law that makes it illegal to serve alcohol to an intoxicated person. It's damn difficult to prove though. I think probably all states have something on the books, but everyone has different tolerances to alcohol, and by the time you can tell they're drunk, they're drunk.
Besides, taking someone's keys opens you up to a lot of liability. If anything happens to the keys or the car, it's your ass on the line.
2
deleted
· 7 years ago
You are right; we can't run other's lives. That's what the government does, though, when they assign breathalizer thingies to people's cars. What's the damage in preemptively saving a few lives? Would you not have loved to escaped your accident? I do agree with the issue with taking a person's keys. perhaps bars should have vending machines that take your keys, give you a drinker's bracelet, and then confiscate your keys (only giving them back for a breathalizer). Maybe these vending machines can take the place of parking meters. I know, I know...there are always loopholes (but stupid people, AKA the ones who drive drunk, might hopefully not figure them out!).
Because the breathalyzer lock is placed by the courts when someone has proven they have a problem, ie they've been arrested driving drunk. When you are convicted of a crime you lose certain rights. If we start "preemptively" punishing people where does it end?
Perhaps whatever computer algorithm or ouija board the cops decide to use says that there is a chance you or I may kill someone in twenty years; suppose you or I get arrested now to avoid what we might do later?
I've seen this movie. It doesn't work out well at all
No one kidnaps the barflies and pours alcohol down their throats. If you make a choice to go to a bar, and you make a choice to drink to inebriation, and you make a choice to get behind the wheel, YOU are responsible for your actions. And, frankly, you are a piece of shit.
I was very nearly killed by a drunk driver about ten years ago but you know what? It was his fault, not the bartender.
You can't arbitrarily prevent some dumbass hitting you on the road because he was looking at his phone or radio; where's the difference? Stiffer laws would be a start, but you can't stop idiots being idiots.
Besides, taking someone's keys opens you up to a lot of liability. If anything happens to the keys or the car, it's your ass on the line.
Perhaps whatever computer algorithm or ouija board the cops decide to use says that there is a chance you or I may kill someone in twenty years; suppose you or I get arrested now to avoid what we might do later?
I've seen this movie. It doesn't work out well at all