You know God provides a ram right? Issac doesn’t die, the ram was burned in his place, it was a test of Abraham’s faith. There would be no Israel if Isaac died.
Guest is right. See Genesis 22.
Isaac and Abraham chose to follow God's instructions, but just before the lad was slain, an angel told Abraham to stop and sacrifice a ram instead.
Guest is wrong. It was an assertion of dominance of the part of Yahweh. It is a demonstration that religion is so horrible that it can convince a father to willingly murder his son if it meant pleasing said god. That entire story was a demonstration of what every Christian should be like as well as demonstrating while Christianity is horrible.
Abraham was proving that he valued obeying and trusting in God, his creator and the ultimate authority, above all else, even beloved family. It was never God's intention to follow through with the death of Isaac. It was just a character building experience for the future father of the nation of Israel. Abraham made the right choice, by reluctantly obeying until just the right moment when the ram came into the scene, at which point he stopped with the original plan of killing Isaac and sacrificed the ram instead.
Even if it was, who is to say that's a "bad" thing? God is the ultimate authority. We are His creation. He can do with us as He pleases. However, killing children for sport is not in His nature. God is Love. He even sent His heavenly Son Jesus to die on a cross to cover our sins, so that we mortals can have eternal life. Also, if He was willing to sacrifice His son, why should we disobey God if He asks us to make a similar sacrifice?
We are to say it's bad, you sick fuck. God is an being that people made to feel safe, provoke fear, and to rationalize torture, rape, manipulation, and be used as a conductor for everything evil. We would still have evil without god, but your god is a perfect excuse to allow it. He sent his son to be a human sacrifice? How is that making your argument any better? So, you would kill your own child if you heard a voice in your head telling you to? We have people like that. We call them insane and dangerous. We should disobey your "God" because we are moral. We know what is right and wrong even if it's taken us centuries to discover it.
You may find some home in the BDSM community as a submissive if you want to be commanded around.
I can't believe I am having to explain to you why killing your child is a bad thing. I can assure you that we have had crazy people like you before.
I agree it is inherently bad to kill people. God gave us discernment to know what is right and wrong, even subconsciously. I'm not saying killing people is socially acceptable or ever should be, I'm just saying that if someone of a higher authority tells me to do something, I'm gonna follow their orders or ask them for an alternative. This applies to people like governments and judges and parents too.
Are you a rebellious person who would like nothing better than to disobey the queen or president, just for the sake of not being submissive? I hope not.
What right do you have to say what is moral and what is not? You didn't create the world and place Man in it. We need an ultimate authority (God), or else we could even argue that cannibalism is not bad. Without a God, is cannibalism bad in a society of cannibals? They've always viewed it as commonplace. What would give you the right to say cannibalism is bad?
So, just hypothetically, if Hitler had won WW2 and with that might everyone was taught that the holocaust was necessary and socially acceptable, we couldn't say that it is wrong? Even in that universe, God is the ultimate authority, so even if Hitler or any human says it's OK, we still gotta back up our facts with God's word (which in that case wouldn't line up).
Hitler would've been right if he won. That's how it works.
That's why I believe it is the duty of the righteous to be strong enough to support their beliefs.
God does not factor into my values or my strength. I do. Me and mine are the ultimate authority until soneone strong enough takes us down. That's why we constantly train to push that back, even if it's only for one more day.
So, by your own logic, it is perfectly all right to kill someone if a strong person tells you to? So, Kim Jong Un has the ability to command people to kill someone with it being perfectly right? He has a higher authority. Murder is murder. It doesn't matter who tells you to do it or why you do it. Some forms of murder are less than others such as killing to defend yourself or another, but it is still murder. "Might makes right" isn't a good argument.
What right do I have to say what is and isn't moral? I have only a partial right to it. I along with that of every single person on this planet have the right to it. We, as a collective, decide morality. It extends further than that to a concept known as "Beyond the veil". Let's take a scenario with rape. If there was a 50/50 chance of you being the rapist and you being the raped, would you still do it? No, because I do not want to be raped. Repeat that scenario with the rest of the population, and with some refinement, we have a moral idea: Rape is bad. I don't do things to other because I don't want them done to me. But that's not it. That's just the rational way of deciding morality. We have empathy. We evolved to have an idea of empathy that allows us to feel the pain of others. I don't want bad things to happen to others because then bad things would happen to me. Morality comes from an evaluation of what makes a functional society...
...Murder, rape, theft, lying, cheat, and a host of other things makes a society impossible. Therefore, they are immoral. Even if God did make humans, why does he get to decide what morality is? "Cuz he's strong" isn't a compelling argument. And to your stupid question on cannibals, there can't be a society of cannibals as you're thinking of being a society requires the knowledge that you are safe which cannot exist in a society. Therefore, cannibalism is immoral. Here is a basic video from a respected member of the atheist community explaining murder when he was asked by a Christian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK5xZ7FjTu4
Morality is a combination of human evolution, the requirements of a functional/prosperous society, philosophy, and some other things someone who is smarter than me could tell you about. @sublimegamer You are saying morality comes from a god? Prove that there is a god, and then show me that cares about the way I finger myself at night. I know you can't, and I don't come to a meme site to argue about stupid rhetorical questions with people who aren't even listening to what I'm saying, who try to come up with arguments like "My imaginary friend wants me to murder people if he tells me to therefore you should see him as the almight authority on morality." I have seen episodes of Spongebob with a better moral system then this garbage you're pushing out. I'm done here; bye.
Rocket man is not the biggest dog on the block. The individual is. I am, you are, Tom is, Dick is, even Harry is.
Anyone can do whatever the fuck they want until someone else is big and bad enough to stop them, beat them at their own game, or change the rules. That is a practical reality. That is life.
I believe in what I do, so I train with like-minded people to support those beliefs. I know how to kill, I know how to heal. I am stronger than most people, my freinds and I are unstoppable.
Until we are, that is.
Might makes right, so the righteous need be mighty.
So bringing it back to Abraham, if might makes right, and Abraham had the might to kill his son (being alone on the mountain), and suppose he did kill his son, in his eyes his actions were not wrong. Maybe fellow villagers of Abraham's time could have told him he is wrong, but if they all agreed that God talked to moses, might makes right and he still did nothing wrong. I disagree with this course of logic that might makes right. So are you arguing based on a modern day perspective of morality? It may be completely opposed to that society's morals of the time.
Isaac and Abraham chose to follow God's instructions, but just before the lad was slain, an angel told Abraham to stop and sacrifice a ram instead.
You may find some home in the BDSM community as a submissive if you want to be commanded around.
I can't believe I am having to explain to you why killing your child is a bad thing. I can assure you that we have had crazy people like you before.
Are you a rebellious person who would like nothing better than to disobey the queen or president, just for the sake of not being submissive? I hope not.
What right do you have to say what is moral and what is not? You didn't create the world and place Man in it. We need an ultimate authority (God), or else we could even argue that cannibalism is not bad. Without a God, is cannibalism bad in a society of cannibals? They've always viewed it as commonplace. What would give you the right to say cannibalism is bad?
That's why I believe it is the duty of the righteous to be strong enough to support their beliefs.
God does not factor into my values or my strength. I do. Me and mine are the ultimate authority until soneone strong enough takes us down. That's why we constantly train to push that back, even if it's only for one more day.
Anyone can do whatever the fuck they want until someone else is big and bad enough to stop them, beat them at their own game, or change the rules. That is a practical reality. That is life.
I believe in what I do, so I train with like-minded people to support those beliefs. I know how to kill, I know how to heal. I am stronger than most people, my freinds and I are unstoppable.
Until we are, that is.
Might makes right, so the righteous need be mighty.