What about non GMO kale?

How do you define modified? We've genetically modified every single crop that we use for food via natural selection.

Breeding is the selection of naturally occurring mutations or induced mutations and stabilizing desired characteristics. This has been done for about 14-15,000 years. Genetic engineering is manipulating the very genes on a cellular level and hasn't been done until about 40 years ago. The main point of informed (!) critics and sceptics is that there is practically no risk assessment in the process of releasing such techniques into mass production and consumption, eve though gmo genes "escape" into the wild and may endanger natural populations.

Just what do you think natural selection is? It is randomly breeding until you get the genes you want. Genetic engineering is just a more precise version.

That's just my point: NATURAL selection is changing conditions for an existing organism and "waiting" for reactions to come NATURALLY. These will never only affect this one organism, which is a great difference between natural selection and genetic engineering. If you really think post 1973 genetic engineering is the same, you need more information on the topic in order to make a valid contribution to a discussion.

Genetic altering is also a natural process as it relies on using natural resources to change DNA. It's like using a Sheep Dog to guide sheep to an area rather than letting the sheep slowly wander into the pen.

Not really, genetic engineering would be to take certain genetic sentences from a shepherds dog and "plant" them into the genome of a wolf. I think it makes more sense to use a shepherds dog which has been bred the old fashioned way, over thousands of years.

Do you know how the genetic engineering is done?

GMO's only problem is that they can be patented. I feel like we've gone over that argument already though... like 2 weeks ago.