Well if virgin is defined by not having had sexual and what constitutes sex is ambiguous then if they believe they are virgins then they aren’t. Virginity is a strange label anyway. Whether you are or not doesn’t really affect anything about you.
So oral sex doesn't involves genitals?
Do you got your toes sucked?
Those things are sex
I was saying it's very obvious without questioning that oral sex is sex that does not deny other things that don't have the word "sex" to be sex
I honestly don’t think oral sex should be considered “sex” the way intercourse is. But you didnt answer t question. You obviously have a line that you draw somewhere. Do you consider using your hand to stimulate someone to orgasm “sex”? Are either or both parties no longer virgins after performing the act?
So the first time a guy slips his hand into your underwear (or vice versa) that’s it, virginity gone? I assume orgasm isn’t actually necessary just contact?
Many? More like almost none. I don’t think it’s entirely the guy’s fault though. Most women are nervous the first time and that is not conducive to orgasm.
You have an oddly severe definition of sex. Is kissing something that constitutes loss of virginity as well in your eyes?
I’m don’t know where you live so I’m not sure if there’s a cultural component but you are the first person I’ve heard say they consider manual stimulation as full-blown sex.
If that’s your thing then I’m never going to convince you otherwise. I do hope your definitions loosen up and evolve over the years. Sex is a wonderful activity that shouldn’t be taken too seriously.
I count Sex, like "we had sex" as intercourse. Dick in vag. Vag in vag. Dick in butt depending on the couple. I don't think oral is sex imo. Not hating on you Ross, just saying that if you only did oral you don't say "yeah we had sex last night", cause you didn't, it was just oral. Interesting to see how people's definitions of that change though.
Why the downvotes on scats comments when all he is doing is expression his own point of view in a more than respectful manner ?
Aside from that I will chip in by saying that "There are other activities I'd rather practice in. I'm a human with brain, not a rabbit that fuck then die." seems extremly restrictive, one can enjoy sex while still enjoying other activities, and condemning everyone who has sex out of wedlock (which, pardon me if I'm wrong, seems to be what you would consider acceptable @rosalinas) are subhumans.
Sex is fun and enjoyable outside of its reproductive function, and utterly rejecting that aspect without compromise is a proof of a closed mind (which I personnaly tend to consider a bad thing).
Seriously and responsibly are two different things. Birth control and disease prevention should always be addressed but that’s no different from wearing a helmet when you ride a bicycle. The riding should be fun despite the risk of injury. There’s a bit less pedaling with sex, for the record.
Tl;dr all the comments between the last one and now. Just answering your question of what defines sexual activiy:
"medical Definition of sexual intercourse. 1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : coitus. 2 : intercourse (as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the penis."
Legal definition of SEXUAL ACT
"Contact between the penis and the vulva or the penis and the anus, and for purposes of this subparagraph contact involving the penis occurs upon penetration, however slight; contact between the mouth and the penis, the mouth and the vulva, or the mouth and the anus; or the penetration, however slight, of the anal or genital opening of another by a hand or finger or by any object, with an intent to abuse, humiliate, harass, degrade, or arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person. 18 USC"
Sexual Activity:
"Solitary behaviour
Self-masturbation is self-stimulation with the intention of causing sexual arousal and, generally, orgasm (sexual climax). Most masturbation is done in private as an end in itself but is sometimes practiced to facilitate a sociosexual relationship."
They go on to offer a very long, thorough explanation about petting, coitus, etc, all of which more or less implies it has to do with touching with the intent of stimulating sexually (sexually meaning: the sex drive and, thereby, the sex organs), and, usually, the intent of achieving orgasm.
Saying sex = abortion is a shortcut so fucking big I'm not even going to try to argue any further. I will just leave saying that noone needs to be taught how to have sex, they will figure it out on their own. However safe sex is something they wont figure out on their own.
At a certain age, you cant prevent kids from making their own stupid decisions, best make sure they know the consequences and stay safe, that hope they never succumb to the temptation.
For me, personally, while I agree I wouldn't put oral sex on quite the same level as intercourse (vaginal, anal, or otherwise), I still think it counts as something beyond simple foreplay. It has sex in the name. Whether you consider yourself a "virgin" or not after oral sex, I think, if your future partner asks "have you had sex with anyone?" And you say no instead of "I've had oral sex," you're being deceptive. Just as if you've let someone get you off without actual intercourse and you don't mention that.
There is a bit of fluidity in how you can define virginity I guess, although anal sex is not among those imo (people who believe that you're a virgin after anal sex must think gay men somehow stay Virgins forever I guess). Some people think you're no longer a virgin if you get raped, and that's never been something I've understood.
Yeah I agree with @xvarnah on that last paragraph. I don't really know what Ross's point is or what Poopun and them are arguing about so I'm gonna stay outta that lol
I like hearing everyone's points though, interesting stuff
Tbh I did read through most of it after, and, while I can follow what they're saying, the conversation seems to have gone a bit sideways. All I can really say is, everyone is allowed an opinion, there IS some fluidity in what constitutes sex, but not THAT much. If you define sex as having to have slept with 100 people in your lifetime, you may then claim your a virgin up until the 100th person, but it simply wouldn't be true. From a logic standpoint, t's no different than declaring that from now on America will be referred to as Jeffrey. You can call it Jeffrey all you want, no one else will agree, believe, or respect that, and you'll likely piss off a great many people along the way.
That may be a bad analogy, who knows, its 2am right now.
I'll clarify that I don't really consider oral sex to be just foreplay most of the time. It can be, and while you're technically still a virgin after, I'd still count it as a form of sex
At the end of the day, it seems we all have different definitions of sex. Some girls still believe they can lose their virginity to a bicycle seat or particularly aggressive somersault. All we can really do is what we feel comfortable with, be safe, and try to hurt as few others along the way as we can
But there are girls who don't think oral sex is sex so she's not the worst
seks
noun
1.
(chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse."
I bet that is what that "#singlemother #virgin #secondbaby" on Twitter thinks too
If it truly doesn't matter, why do they lie
Oral sex has the word "sex" in it
Do you got your toes sucked?
Those things are sex
I was saying it's very obvious without questioning that oral sex is sex that does not deny other things that don't have the word "sex" to be sex
Many girls don't even orgasm first time they have sex anyways
Gosh, many don't even do just bc the guys are just pounding like animals
You have an oddly severe definition of sex. Is kissing something that constitutes loss of virginity as well in your eyes?
And no
There is no such thing as almost or half sex
There are other activities I'd rather practice in
I'm a human with brain, not a rabbit that fuck then die
Aside from that I will chip in by saying that "There are other activities I'd rather practice in. I'm a human with brain, not a rabbit that fuck then die." seems extremly restrictive, one can enjoy sex while still enjoying other activities, and condemning everyone who has sex out of wedlock (which, pardon me if I'm wrong, seems to be what you would consider acceptable @rosalinas) are subhumans.
Sex is fun and enjoyable outside of its reproductive function, and utterly rejecting that aspect without compromise is a proof of a closed mind (which I personnaly tend to consider a bad thing).
"medical Definition of sexual intercourse. 1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : coitus. 2 : intercourse (as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the penis."
Legal definition of SEXUAL ACT
"Contact between the penis and the vulva or the penis and the anus, and for purposes of this subparagraph contact involving the penis occurs upon penetration, however slight; contact between the mouth and the penis, the mouth and the vulva, or the mouth and the anus; or the penetration, however slight, of the anal or genital opening of another by a hand or finger or by any object, with an intent to abuse, humiliate, harass, degrade, or arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person. 18 USC"
"Solitary behaviour
Self-masturbation is self-stimulation with the intention of causing sexual arousal and, generally, orgasm (sexual climax). Most masturbation is done in private as an end in itself but is sometimes practiced to facilitate a sociosexual relationship."
They go on to offer a very long, thorough explanation about petting, coitus, etc, all of which more or less implies it has to do with touching with the intent of stimulating sexually (sexually meaning: the sex drive and, thereby, the sex organs), and, usually, the intent of achieving orgasm.
At a certain age, you cant prevent kids from making their own stupid decisions, best make sure they know the consequences and stay safe, that hope they never succumb to the temptation.
There is a bit of fluidity in how you can define virginity I guess, although anal sex is not among those imo (people who believe that you're a virgin after anal sex must think gay men somehow stay Virgins forever I guess). Some people think you're no longer a virgin if you get raped, and that's never been something I've understood.
I like hearing everyone's points though, interesting stuff
That may be a bad analogy, who knows, its 2am right now.
I'll clarify that I don't really consider oral sex to be just foreplay most of the time. It can be, and while you're technically still a virgin after, I'd still count it as a form of sex