The Jedi way doesn't involve being a doormat for those that follow the Sith way. The Jedi way is about knowing when to fight, and that was definitely a time to fight. This child needs to study more.
Not always. A Jedi is aware that violence can propagate violence. A Jedi is strong and patient. They don’t fight for themselves, they fight for others. If their mission, they’re survival, or another who can’t defend themselves is in danger a Jedi will fight, but Jedi avoid conflict if there is another way, including taking a bit of a beating. You mention the Sith- but being true to the Jedi code, the Jedi don’t use Sith ways to fight Sith, and the Jedi don’t engage in battles pointlessly. Obiwan and Yoda knew they couldnt beat the empire alone let alone Vader and Palpatine. They fled when that became obvious and waited decades while the people who murdered their friends and destroyed their order expanded their power. They waited, not fighting- until the time was right. Jedi are patient. Jedi choose their battles and fight when it matters, not just so they can say win or lose they put up a fight.
Well, first of all, this is hardly a valid comparison, the kid was dealing with a school bully, not a dark lord of the Sith. Second, if this kid was being bullied, we can safely assume the bully was bullying other kids, so, assuming that's the case, he should have stood up to the bully for the sake of those other kids. And if he's the only kid being bullied, then nobody else is going to fight his battles for him, so he's the one that needs to do it. Yes, form zero states that a Jedi ought to know when to fight, and seek alternate means and only use fighting as a last resort, but if the bully has already escalated things to a physical altercation, form zero no longer applies. If the Jedi never allowed themselves to fight when it mattered, they would have been useless as an organization.
1. If it is an invalid comparison, and we are discussing school children and not Sith- why did your first post bring up the comparison? My reference was not that the children are actually Sith, but that “might makes right” is a Sith philosophy- as I assume you were alluding to in your first post.
2. Beating up his bullies does not ensure the safety of other kids. That’s like saying that if you steal from a thief he won’t steal from someone else. He may not steal from YOU again, but you haven’t protected anyone else. In fact- in defeat he may feel more compelled from need or disgrace to go double down on someone else. All you have done is met wrong with wrong. Any lessons possibly learned aren’t by your hand.
3. He does have someone to fight his battles. They’re called teachers, adults, his peers. Just as adults have police and other means. If we all “fought or own battles” it would be chaos in the streets, and where does the battle end What if they seek revenge instead of stopping?
Knowing when to fight means having the wisdom to realize when violence is an effective tool. If he felt his life was in danger, which the fact he is alive would indicate it wasn’t- then it would possibly be an effective tool to survive. If he felt that violence was his only option, or would serve a greater good then perhaps. But he had no reason to. To the contrary- fighting back could have escalated the force being used by him, and what’s more- if he suspected he couldn’t win, would just multiply the harm done but serve no purpose beyond returning harm for harm. He still would’ve got beaten up- so that stays the same. He could still tell authorities after the fact. That remained the same. All that changed was whether or not he decided to meet force with force. The desire to hurt someone because they hurt you is not a Jedi, or enlightened trait for that matter.
I get where youre coming from, but i think he made the right decision. Ive been in my fair share of fights, Fought when i had to and took my beatings without hesitation. In a very strange way its like taoism, sometimes its better to fight sometimes not. Its different for everyone.
Well said @pandaman1. Most real fights that aren’t to the death or serious injury, it’s hard to tell the “winner” from the “loser” after the fight is done- but in most developed countries, we could argue the “winner” is the one who is able to (hopefully) walk away and doesn’t end up in jail, in court, or in trouble. There are times when one may need to defend themselves or others. There are times when violence is the last tool we have that might work, and losing isn’t an option. The rest of the time- it’s less the fight you have to worry about than what comes next. Be mindful of the future, but not at the expense of the present. It comes down to wether taking or dishing a beating is likely to cause or save more trouble in the future. In this case- it was a smart move.
Anakan would have beat the crap out of those bullies, (Spoiler) and know that Luke is gone the only "true" Jedi is Kylo because he received formal training from Luke.
Flaws: Luke isn’t exactly a Jedi himself. He’s the closest thing to a Jedi, and even if his tutelage made Kylo a Jedi, Kylo is presently a Sith, not a Jedi. SPOILERS: Rey was trained by Luke too, and from what it seems she got about as much training as Luke did before he left Yoda, and with the destruction of the Jedi texts there either are no Jedi, or the Jedi order has been deformalized and now a “Jedi” is simply a trained force sensitive who follows a code of honor and studies the world and themselves instead of the ancient texts. END SPOILERS. Anakin likely WOULD have beat them up, but Anakin was a Sith who was frequently chastised for not following the Jedi code. His inability to follow the code is what led to his becoming a Sith, and why he wasn’t allowed on the council. Because despite being powerful Anakin was a shitty Jedi who needed to learn a lot before he could be wise enough and trusted enough for the role.
Well, Obi-Wan wouldn't have just let himself get beaten up. If his opponent went straight to a physical altercation, Obi-Wan would have defended himself.
Maybe. Luke allowed Jabba to take him prisoner, Obiwan allowed the Gungans to as well- either could have easily overpowered their captors and taken what they wanted, or stealthily killed and incapacitated their way to the goal. Obiwan allowed Vader to kill him. He didn’t even defend himself once he’d bought enough time for the others. He stood there and let Vader strike him down. The Jedi don’t use force where they don’t see a point. So what would be the point of beating up the bully beyond returning pain to him, or showing him “he can’t mess with you?” Jedi don’t live by prison rules and need everyone to see that no one punks a Jedi. Jedi can and will be punked willingly because their values and their mission are above ego. Only if it serves a greater need or good do they “show dominance” where other options aren’t available. Violence is a tool, and if all you have is a hammer- everything looks like a nail.
Jesus has owned this meme for +2000 years now and there where probably others before him.
On another note I am not fully aware of the situation but because this young man has now become a internet Rockstar recently I do hope he realizes there is a time to be passive as well as a time to be assertive. With both words and actions. This spotlight seems to me like it could encourage passive behavior for the rest of his life which might hurt him more in the long run.
Also any news on the bully? I am going to go ahead and bet 10 bucks his friends have all left him, and he has had to now go to a different School to escape the new bullying he now has to endure. Perhaps before and after this story blew up the bully was the real victum here and the poor kid is just collateral.
My thoughts and prayers go out to you bully, wherever you are now. I hope you can still know peace and happiness in your life
You guys are celebrating betamode now? Oh boy is Islam ever gonna run roughshod over this generation. If you can’t stand up to a bully, good luck in a car dealership.
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Wtf have this post to do with anything you wrote. Wtf dude? And what have not hurt someone back to do with buying fricking cars. Do you fight your cardealer? Or what? Rly dude. Gtfo.
When that guest goes to a car dealership, he always carries a rapier in the event that he needs to challenge the salesman to an honorable duel to the death to determine how low the price should be.
What a load of shit froma scared, small, sad, mind. There’s so much wrong that I can’t cover it. Was MLK, Gandhi, Buddha, or any number of those seeking non violence “beta” in your book? Because they realized that violence fuels a cycle of violence? If we hit those who hit us twice as hard, then every time someone hits back you must hit them again and each time it increases 2 fold until before long it’s thoisamds of times magnitude the original hit. You mention “Islam” and I think that’s a reference to terrorism and extremism. Do you not realize that those extremists are “hitting back” for things going back through Afghanistan, the oil wars, WW2, even the crusades, and each time we “hit back” we create more dead loved ones and destroyed lives that fuel another generation who has something to “hit back” over? Grow up. In this “world of alpha’s” you want you’re just a guppy and would be one of the first little twinkle toes to be ground up. Big talk, small.... attributes.
2. Beating up his bullies does not ensure the safety of other kids. That’s like saying that if you steal from a thief he won’t steal from someone else. He may not steal from YOU again, but you haven’t protected anyone else. In fact- in defeat he may feel more compelled from need or disgrace to go double down on someone else. All you have done is met wrong with wrong. Any lessons possibly learned aren’t by your hand.
3. He does have someone to fight his battles. They’re called teachers, adults, his peers. Just as adults have police and other means. If we all “fought or own battles” it would be chaos in the streets, and where does the battle end What if they seek revenge instead of stopping?
On another note I am not fully aware of the situation but because this young man has now become a internet Rockstar recently I do hope he realizes there is a time to be passive as well as a time to be assertive. With both words and actions. This spotlight seems to me like it could encourage passive behavior for the rest of his life which might hurt him more in the long run.
Also any news on the bully? I am going to go ahead and bet 10 bucks his friends have all left him, and he has had to now go to a different School to escape the new bullying he now has to endure. Perhaps before and after this story blew up the bully was the real victum here and the poor kid is just collateral.
My thoughts and prayers go out to you bully, wherever you are now. I hope you can still know peace and happiness in your life