Healthcare situation in America is worse than many people think

You know that's not what he means

@famousone with investing in social stuff i mean things which helps people to get positive things. stuff like education, healthcare, science, medical stuff, people working together to achieve something great etc.. not war. military is just for killing and fighting against each other.. for what every reason you fight a war, in the end people die and suffer from it. and because that fact, that's not what i would call "investing in social stuff".

China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, France, The United Kingdom, Japan, and Germany. The USA spends more money on the military than ALL of them combined.

The military is a waste of money. We spend more than a third of all our money on our military which most other countries use 1-4%. The only exception being China which is only 13%. It is a complete waste of resources that is not needed. Maybe if we focused more on education and welfare, then we wouldn't be one of the worst first world countries to live in. Maybe we wouldn't be a disgrace to the founders of this country. Maybe we wouldn't have to watch the other countries laugh at us and our Pumpkin of a president. But maybe Hell will freeze over too.

And the U.S. isn't in NEAR the proximity to a potential military threat that most of those countries are. Meanwhile we have countless veterans dieing or living on the streets because there aren't enough funds for the VA to help them

The military is education. We are healthcare. We are science. We are working to achieve great things.
Technology, disaster relief, peacekeeping.
The only reason others can afford to spend so little on their militaries is because of us. Without us being ready and willing to step in whenever and wherever fighting breaks out, it would only ever escalate until entire regions are in total war.
We are the first to send aid and peacekeepers after natural disasters, from tsunamis and hurricanes to wildfires and earthquakes.
The computer is the atom bomb's fraternal twin, nevermind prosthetics, neurological breakthroughs, and countless treatments that could only be devised on the battlefield that everyone utilizes in their lives.
Then we get our college paid for and continue to excell, internationally, and especially compared to spineless civvies who would watch the world burn if it meant getting the approval of nations who mock us from the comfort we secure for them.

Education is science. Science is healthcare. Healthcare is disaster relief. Military is peace keeping, but that doesn't mean it needs to be massive. Yea, a flamethrower can light a candle, but a matchstick is more than capable of doing the same.

I hate to sound rude, but that is just not our problem. America isn't responsible for the entire planet. We need to focus on our own home before we start trying to help elsewhere. We also have charities that support people in natural disasters as well that doesn't cost 600 BILLION dollars per year.

A nuke's twin is another nuke that's flying straight for New York.

College wouldn't be so expensive if the US didn't pay so much on the military. Then college would accessible to all of the population rather than a small minority that are in the military.

You are just so arrogant. You believe Murica is da durn best place in the whole wide world. The US is one of the worst - internationally. Stop lying to yourself and do some research.

The military is science. The military is healthcare. The military is education. Just the other day I finished EMT-B training in a 6 week course and got NREMT certified. Civilian courses take months.

A match can light a candle, but sometimes you need an explosion to kill an oil fire.

Some wars aren't our problem, until they are. A crazed madman siezes control of a nation, kills thousands of his own people and conquers his neighbors. Not our problem-until he cuts into our supply lines and takes liberties with our borders and sovereignty.

The nuke ended a conflict expected to wipe out millions more, and then went on prevent WW3 countless times in only a few decades.

Colleges are expensive because they are private institutions that offer a highly valued service ultimately provided by private citizens who are too smart to work for less than as much as people are willing to pay.

The United States of America is the greatest Goddamned place in human history to date- IF you value

Individualism, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and making impossible an obstacle.

I would argue that we don't even make impossible an obstacle. We make it a stepping stone.

@famousone, I have one thing to say to that: "Ice cream has milk in it. Therefore, ice cream makes milk." This makes as much sense as "Military is science because reasons."

He's saying military funding funds scientific advances. Therefore, "the military is science." It's really not that hard, unless you're just willfully ignorant.

to add something extra to this. in germany most people don't think that the USA is participate in wars in other countrys to help the people there. most people thinking that the USA just searches and wants reasons to start a war to get the oil of specific regions of the world. people don't think "oh the usa is just helping", no. we think USA is often just interested in their own goodies (oil etc). most regions who got "peace" by USA are more damaged after it than it was before because of the "war for the peace". people there fear the usa soldiers. in germany we even joke about which region of the world gets attacked by the USA the next for "peace" (oil). i think it tells a lot about the situation when other countrys think the usa is not helping but destroying and stealing oil after. just sayin.

@chakun it may. but for their own good. to have better weapons etc.. the stuff don't really get fast to the people outside the military... you can be lucky if it even gets out there after years. and by the way.. does scientific developent of weapons etc. helping people with health problems etc. ?no
sooo..

You must also be willfully ignorant to believe that military funding only finds weapons development. Because of course it doesn't go toward medical breakthroughs, or computer technology, or even just plain quality of life technologies.

Oh yeah, and you must be willfully ignorant to think we give two shits what Germany thinks of us. You might joke about us going to war for oil, but we joke about y'all going to war for racial purity, so you can suck it.

militairy funding is often in the interest of getting stuff developed which can get used for militairy. or do you think they fund stuff because they are nice people?the best example is current robot developement (the dog who open doors etc) and stuff like drones. they even develope currently 2 Quadrocopter who working in a team together to open doors and navigating inside rooms. thats too militairy oriented.. not social
they want to use these things to loose less soldier etc.. in other words..they do it for themself, not other people.

Who gives a shit why it was developed? Would you rather it just not get developed?

say that again when a robot kills in a war your family or drones fly through the citys to enforce rules. say that again when robots killing people by themself without a human operator etc..

you can develope such stuff without the military. if the stuff is social intended it will help more. if you develope stuff for war.. it's good for war. thats not helping.

Oh, yes, because the internet is only good for war, and guns are only good for war, and highways are only good for war, and rockets are only good for war, and radios are only good for war... I could go on like this for a while.

the internet got developed by universitys.. not the military. highways are mostly for cars. rockets for transporting boom (not the space rockets). and yes, guns are only good for one thing. hurting someone. that's not social helping. you don't need guns to be safe. in germany people too don't own guns and can be safe. there are other ways to fight someone if you get attacked.. you don't need to shoot them. without guns schools even would be a safer spot for you guys. and a lot of accidents where people kill themself wouldn't happen.

The internet was created as a military communications network, numbnuts, space rockets were developed from military rockets, highways were designed so the military can transport men and material quickly in case of attack or disaster, even your own autobahn were commissioned by Hitler for that very reason, and the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, there is literally no way to stop a crazed gunman if you don't have a gun.

space rockets got developed from military rockets.yes. and that proofs what i said. first it get to military, then after a long time maybe outside of it. and if there are no guns, your bad guy don't have a gun. in germany dudes who break into homes to steal stuff don't have guns. really devil guys often too not. there are cases where they get guns, but that are way less cases than in the usa. in germany you don't need the fear of guns because like no one have guns. most people even have a fear to use guns. most bad guys who have guns don't use it.. they just try to scare you. there are even cases where they use toy guns just to scare people because they don't want to use a real gun. it's not like in the usa where everyone have guns.

There are at least 500,000 defensive uses of firearms every year, and when you remove gang/drug related violence and suicide, there are fewer than 30,000 gun deaths every year. I can't remeber the exact numbers right nowb though, amd I don't want to look them up right now, because we're not arguing about how Hitler only banned guns so that the citizenry of Germany couldn't rise up against him when he started killing peaceful protesters, we're talking about military funding and technology. And I can tell you, every piece of advanced technology you use probably had military funding at some point. Either that, or it was funded by good old greed and capitalism. Everybody's favorite, the private sector!

it's not so much about if something got funding by military or not. it's about the reasons for the funding and the intentions behind. if you funding less military stuff you could put the money directly in the developement of stuff people need and it would be more targeted towards the real needs people have. people can't do s*it with robots for war or fighting drones and stuff like bombs and guns. they need healthcare, medicine etc.. that's important. if the military developes something and then the knowhow of it gets after years in public.. thats another topic. that's not the intention behind the developement. otherwise they would develope it direct for this stuff without war as a reason behind it

The thing is, those things already get billions of dollars worth of funding in the private sector. Companies spend billions and billions of dollars every year on making better, newer, more advanced things. The government doesn't need to fund them. Maybe if your government stopped giving handouts to everyone that asked for one, they could afford to spend more on their military.

dude.. you don't need to put a s*it ton of money into military. we don't even want to do that. we don't want war or military escalations. we don't want war. why we then should put more into it? that's just dumb. and just because companys investing already this don't mean that the government should not do it too. companys investing in things which give them more money. but not all social stuff gets money back. so companys don't invest there. that's the moment where the goverment could do good things by investing in their people (healthcare etc).

Please, Germany just lets us fight their wars for them. If we weren't fighting for oil in the middle east, you can bet your cou try would be. Shit, it's colonial empires like Germany that fucked up the middle east in the first place. So don't pretend Germany has some kind of moral high ground. You guys want war. We just fight it for you.

we, the people who live here don't want war. the people just want to jave enough food, a warm home etc.. our politics tho.. the do a lot of shit without asking us. even if we protest against stuff they just do it. they even try to hide it from us so we don't start protests etc. just because these people on top are try always to make things bad, this don't mean that we as a country want war. and you don't fight for us.. we are more like a dog for you guys. if the usa doing bad things in germany and it comes out.. no one does a damn. the nsa did spy our people.. it was illegal.. what happend?nothing. our politics fear the usa. that's what really is happening. the military is even controlling killing drones over stations in germany.. and no one gives a damn.

“Colonial empires like Germany” kek

How about everyone calm down a bit. @famousone has a lot of good points, the military does provide many social services outside of weapons funding for military members and their families. They also act as first line aid relief to disaster areas. But @cycy has a point in that the funding seems a bit excessive when there are vets not being taken care of at home. I think what most of it boils down to is the fact that many people would be willing to have a universal healthcare system, but fear funds wouldn't be used properly or abused, and it would just leave everyone in a bad spot.

To all the people who say to invest in social areas instead, like healthcare and education. Really look into what happens when the government does that. It doesn’t make it any more affordable. It just encourages those institutions to raise their prices because they know it’s getting paid for by the government no matter what. It doesn’t really help anything and it hurts the middle class even more because they don’t get the government subsidies but do get the large bill. Not to sound like I’m saying you’re stupid or ignorant. I just want to encourage you to do research into what happens

Sorry, the guest comment above was from me, my phone logged me out!

You both are hitting the nail on the head

Nup, because sensible regulation checks and balances the profit motive - which is precisely what *doesn't* happen when you leave it to the market to provide services. Yes, everyone pays and some will benefit more than they contribute, but you do it because you actually give a shit about other human beings. What happens when tax funds common healthcare is that you don't have grandma saving up to pay for her diabetes medication, and dying when she can't. What happens is that the manufacturers become accountable to an ethic of common good first, and shareholders second.

I should add: yes, there's wastage and corruption and it's horribly imperfect, but the guiding principle is much more humane, imo, and let's not kid ourselves that a straight-up private market solution is any sensitive to corruption, in particular.

@ilikemoderation you’re right, that’s why college and healthcare is so expensive in countries which spen a lot on education and healthcare, like Scandinavia... oh wait

It’s expensiveness in the US for that reason. And the problem is that companies hold shareholders first no matter what situation you are in. so even with government subsidies, you have that and prices go up and then grandma can’t afford her medication because the medication is now the same price plus the government subsidies. Because it’s higher profits. The difference is, that the majority of people are also hurt in the second situations.

Here’s a video I think explains it very well ... https://youtu.be/yTjnpJvZrwM

And also @willfree regulations and checks and balances do not stimulate the economy which is what every legistlature promises and thus why they never get passed. You can restrict people to charge less for things while also promising them that they while have a better economy.

Yeah I’ve seen that video before in other conversations about this topic, in the end it just seems to me that the US has a pretty crappy system

Japan is strong in science... Where is their huge military?

Burning in Hell with the Nazis.

r u serious?

You mean nowadays? We protect them, that's why they only need a token SDF, why they can afford to dedicate so much funding to purely civil scientific pursuits.
Pretty much the entire free world relies on the US military for defense and aid.
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Or do you mean the Imperial Japanese military? In the bad old days they would conduct atrocious experiments on POWs, civilians, and sometimes their own people. My predecessors put a stop to that in a little scuffle you might've heard of, and their own fanaticism led to a very one-sided kill/capture ratio. Hence their "soldiers" burning in Hell with the Nazis.

Let's not forget about the free passes America gave to the lunatics responsible for those atrocities, in exchange for the data they collected. Pretty sweet deal.