Its rare for me to put someone in the "waste of space" category. Mostly because she takes up all that space.
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Yeah, if you read past the BS click-bait headline, you hear her talk about how she's not glorifying it, or speaking about it proudly. She did what she had to do at the time.
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Now the fact that a celebrity openly admits to multiple crimes and doesn't get prosecuted if ****ing BULL**** but that's another story. It's not a double-standard either because there's a billion male rappers who talk about a variety of crimes they've committed. Stories we all know are true, but can't prove or they'd literally be in jail.
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What is fkd up about this, what is a dirty double-standard is how her story of "survival" is being glorified and justified by women. "She did what she had to do and thats ok"
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So it won't be a problem, when I rob someone at gun-point tomorrow to feed my family? No, I'll go to jail, if I don't get shot in the act. She will be glorified for "empowering women"
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This whole world is garbage.
I will add, there is likely a statute of limitations on her crimes which has probably lapsed. Otherwise her lawyers are probably wringing her neck.
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Any SOL is bypass-able if the admission of guilt is compelling enough. I think this one definitely is. But I think we all know nothing is going to happen to her
I largely agree with you on most of your points, in fact many I made above. However to address the issue of her being glorified for “doing what she had to do”... that’s not exclusive to her. Many of the male artists you describe who sing or talk about such things are also glorified for them. Tupac is a prime example of a man who was very open about the brutality of street life, who outside the bravado of stage image in interviews and many songs that didn’t see much radio time speaks of the dictonomy of such things- that he knew much of it was wrong but things were the way they were as he lacked opportunity. It didn’t make it right but it didn’t make him sorry he did much of it, just sorry we live in a world that would see a person feel the need to do such things. Long before that were characters like Robin Hood- popular cultural figures who “did what they had to” in breaking the law. Likewise the “scoundrel” like Han Solo or Jack Sparrow are beloved characters. Not speaking to the...
... morality of the thing but to the statement- wether or not one is glorified for crime depends on many factors, and wether or not it is a problem is a seperate matter. One can be a “folk hero” while still facing trouble for their actions. In the eyes of the law the question becomes wether the statue of limitations on a crime is up, and wether there is anyone willing to press charges or not, etc. I do somehow doubt she was stealing just to pay humble bills- I’ve known women in various industries and Cardi B has a certain known history which to me implies she was stealing not solely out of survival need but in part to finance a certain lifestyle. But a large segment of the population glorified the hustler or the grifter from their guile, not as a figure of moral righteousness. So maybe you could steal and be a folk hero too.
@shikharizard Not necessarily. There's nothing stopping her from saying she was making it up for publicity. The only way a confession would be considered binding is if it was signed and notarized, or given while under miranda rights. Also if she's already been tried and acquitted it doesn't matter, she can't be retried no matter what she confesses to. Remember OJ Simpson and his book "If I did it, Here's How". Of course that got pulled even before printing
Im not saying it’s right- but I’m saying that Cardi B did is right- but let’s be clear on a few things. While it was wrong for Cosby to drug his victims- the primary thing that ruined his image was rape. If he had drugged a bunch of people at dinner parties and then read poetry to them he wouldn’t be as ruined, and if he had raped a bunch of people without drugging them he would have been still ruined. Drugging people is wrong- but that’s not what Cosby’s case is primarily about. We are taking about a person in power and trust sexually violating people, and a stripper robbing people. Whole songs and autobiographical incidents are related about artists jumping people and robbing them, car jacking, chain yanking, etc. Would we be having this comparison if Cardi said she has used violence instead of drugs would that be better, some no one says 50 cent is like bill Cosby for luring and robbing people? The fact Cardi used sex as the lure to the trap isn’t the same as Cosby either. Cosby...
... and his bunch used innocent pretenses and then took sex- they didn’t seduce someone and rob them. So is what she did right? No. Not in my book. Is it what many strippers and sex workers have been doing for centuries? Yeah. It is. She wasn’t a celebrity then. She didn’t abuse her celebrity status- we can say she abused a trust- but dawg... if you are trusting strippers you are bringing home to get down with I have a bridge to sell you. I understand those seeking “men’s justice” or retribution for “metoo” want to see this as the same thing as Bill Cosby- but it literally is not. She didn’t rape anyone. Drugging a person IS a violation in itself- but so is placing your hand on a persons back without consent and would you call that the same as rape?
What is the first damn sentence of the comment? Seriously. He's saying that making a comment about drugging and robbing is crap, but it's NOT the same as ACTUALLY raping people, which is what Cosby did.
@thatguyyouknow- I’m not defending Cardi B. I’m defending reason. What she did wasn’t morally right. A person deserves to face the consequences of their actions, but only their actual actions. Not be punished to satisfy the sense of politics of others by drawing faulty conclusions. It’s called “civics.” Bill cosby drugged and raped people. Cardi B drugged people and robbed them. The two crimes aren’t equivalent just because they share the similarity of drugging the victim, and if we can declare her guilty of the same crime as bill cosby when hers was a different crime, the same could be done to anyone else. Justice isn’t based on who we like or not, and a system which doesn’t defend the rights of the accused or even the convicted is a system in which no ones rights are safe because if we can tailor the crime to our whims and not base it on the actual actions, Justice becomes a weapon of power and not a safeguard from abuse of it.
Source? In her video confession she doesn’t say anything about having sex with them, and in her apology I didn’t see anything about her having sex with them, and just for those who do not know how this works I will explain how that concept doesn’t quite pencil out:
Some dancers and “models” do escort work on the side. Some escorts will have set for money. There are two ways this classic con goes:
1. Sleep with a guy and get paid. At some point before/during/after (while he’s possibly very tired) take his wallet, electronics, jewelry, or take things from his house if you brought them there.
2. Tell a guy you’ll have sex, maybe fool around and tease a bit, slip him a mickey, he knocks out, you step his stuff, there is no sex. The point of drugging them is so you don’t have to sleep with them. If you watch the original video she’s upset and recounting the terrible things she had to do to get by- not bragging about sex, and she doesn’t mention turning tricks, just drugging and robbing
And even if they did have sex, the sex was consensual. If you listen to what she’s says and use common sense the men WANTED to have sex- so it still isn’t rape. The drugs used knock you out. Why would she drug a willing sex partner she planned to only rob, then risk them waking up, leave evidence, rape a willing partner, and be there longer while cutting the time she had to rob them and get out? That makes no sense. They were drugged, passed out, and then robbed and she left. The point of luring them with the potential for sex is that there is no actual sex, and that they wouldn’t go to have sex if they didn’t want sex. She didn’t lure them with Xbox or a job offer or some pretense and then rape them. There was violation through robbery and drugging them, but they were not sexually violated. No rape was committed. Read up and watch the original video please and then form an opinion based on fact.
One victim that came forward woke up not remembering the sex and had a used condom nearby.
Doesn't matter if he wanted it initially. Drunk horny girl? considered rape.
Drugged horny guy? still rape. He can't consent.
Kevin said: “I was in New York about five years ago training and my trainer suggested we go to a strip club. Normally, I would’ve turned him down but this time I decided to go. So, boom, we go to the strip club and I meet Cardi, I’m feeling her and convinced her to come back to the room with me to have a drink. I’d been drinking already so I had to piss, I slid to the bathroom and came back and finished off my drink”.
We know he’s visiting from out of town- “feeling her,” and invited her to his hotel room for drinks. We know he claims there was a used condom the next day. Now- we can’t jump to conclusions can we? We can’t assume he wanted sex even if the signs point to yes (did he bring the stripper he was feeling to the hotel to play Pokémon tcg?) we don’t know. We also can’t assume his version of events is the 100% truth. We also do not yet have any sort of proof that he was ever in the presence of cardi B, but can’t assume he’s making up his claim either since he’s a possible vic
So we still don’t have enough to put her in with a convicted rapist. What’s more, Ive found no statements where a victim has claimed rape as of yet. The events described imply there was sex- but we don’t really know at this point. If he chooses to press charges (which he sill can in New York), there will be a trial and the evidence will determine it. But you’re over here calling the game before the teams have even stepped in the field.
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Now the fact that a celebrity openly admits to multiple crimes and doesn't get prosecuted if ****ing BULL**** but that's another story. It's not a double-standard either because there's a billion male rappers who talk about a variety of crimes they've committed. Stories we all know are true, but can't prove or they'd literally be in jail.
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What is fkd up about this, what is a dirty double-standard is how her story of "survival" is being glorified and justified by women. "She did what she had to do and thats ok"
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So it won't be a problem, when I rob someone at gun-point tomorrow to feed my family? No, I'll go to jail, if I don't get shot in the act. She will be glorified for "empowering women"
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This whole world is garbage.
Some dancers and “models” do escort work on the side. Some escorts will have set for money. There are two ways this classic con goes:
1. Sleep with a guy and get paid. At some point before/during/after (while he’s possibly very tired) take his wallet, electronics, jewelry, or take things from his house if you brought them there.
2. Tell a guy you’ll have sex, maybe fool around and tease a bit, slip him a mickey, he knocks out, you step his stuff, there is no sex. The point of drugging them is so you don’t have to sleep with them. If you watch the original video she’s upset and recounting the terrible things she had to do to get by- not bragging about sex, and she doesn’t mention turning tricks, just drugging and robbing
Doesn't matter if he wanted it initially. Drunk horny girl? considered rape.
Drugged horny guy? still rape. He can't consent.
We know he’s visiting from out of town- “feeling her,” and invited her to his hotel room for drinks. We know he claims there was a used condom the next day. Now- we can’t jump to conclusions can we? We can’t assume he wanted sex even if the signs point to yes (did he bring the stripper he was feeling to the hotel to play Pokémon tcg?) we don’t know. We also can’t assume his version of events is the 100% truth. We also do not yet have any sort of proof that he was ever in the presence of cardi B, but can’t assume he’s making up his claim either since he’s a possible vic