Mohed Altrad is a major sports team owner and Frances entrepreneur of the year as the owner of a large construction equipment company.
Howard Schultz founded Starbucks. John Paul DeJoria- hair care empire leader and alcohol magnate. Roman Abramovich- sports team owner and Russian tycoon. Lakshmi Mittala- owner of the worlds largest steel empire. Leonardo Del Vecchio- head of an empire that owns brands like Oakley and Ray-Ban. Francois Pinault- owns conglomerate which holds Yves st Lauren, Gucci and other luxury brands. Sheldon Adelson- runs the largest casino hotel chain in the world. Shania Twain, Celine Deon, Oprah....
There are WAY more people I can list. Almost everyone on that list above is a billionaire. These are artists and industrialists who have changed the world and pushes commerce and development. All grew up poor. Not enough food, no homes, sleeping in cars, government housing, foster care, etc. etc. history is FULL of inventors and politicians and innovators and doers who by this logic should never have been born. My parents couldn’t take care of themselves let alone kids- yet here I am. They gave me the tools to make myself a better life than what they could give me. I didn’t have the easiest or most fun childhood but I am happy for my life and living very well. It wasn’t selfish of my parents to have me. They gave me life and I made something with that and have done what I could to help others. By this logic how would people in underdeveloped countries or in wars have kids? Who rebuilds then? Giving a person life isn’t selfish.
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· 5 years ago
I am trying to debate or something, but at least giving them the basic necessities like food, clothing and shelter should be provided to the kids. I grew up as lower middle class-poor. I sacrificed a lot of things when I was a kid, I understood that we can't afford them or not have them, but it still just didn't feel right. I have seen tonne of poor people over here reproduce in massive amount. They live on the streets and have like 6-7 kids and then send them off to earn. There is just no chance to grow. Its just mindless labour. Children shouldn't go through that.
Anyway, that's what I believe. At least have the basic necessities before bringing a life into the world, it's a big responsibility and you never know how it is going to affect you or the world. Use contraceptives.
Certainly. My parents couldn’t support themselves. My mother still can’t. Sometimes we had no place to live and lived outside. Sometimes someone allowed us to stay. Sometimes we had no food, my father would hunt and trap animals and we would eat those if we could. We didn’t always have clean clothes growing up and the neighbors often gave my mother clothes their kids outgrew. My older brother wore underpants that were given to him from a neighbors child after they were too old and stained for that family to keep. My father assembled my first bike from parts he found at the dumps and around. We were not middle class poor and I often watched other kids have things I couldn’t. I played with the toys I had, I worked and did chores and missed lots of school. I did side hustles and worked shitty or not quite... everyday jobs to make money for myself. I worked hard and picked up skills that later on helped me to get better jobs and kept going....
Not everyone will be as lucky or blessed. Not everyone can break the cycle. But simply being poor isn’t a reason not to have kids. Life is hard. For some it is harder than others. Long ago before technology- and still today in many parts of the world- for most people in a given area just barely getting by is all there is. For some people they will never have enough that they won’t be scraping day to day. If those people all say they can’t have kids because things are so tight- those people all disappear. So long as a person has the desire to live they will live- regardless of the circumstances. The world is dangerous. There is violence, cruelty, a million ways we hurt each other every day. If we were to say “it’s better to not have kids and save them the pain the world they are born into is sure to cause them...” there would be no more kids.
The world will hurt everyone. Few if anyone will not have a hard time in their life, will not lose a loved one, go through a divorce, feel their life is falling apart, or have the things they love most taken away. It’s no different than saying people prone to genetic conditions shouldn’t have kids because there is a good chance they’ll pass that on. Not everyone will enjoy their lives but most people seem to enjoy being alive enough since every moment of every day any one of us could take our own life if we saw it as such a curse. But even among the poorest and those with the least opportunity to escape we don’t find mass suicide a regular phenomenon. You can kill yourself in more ways than straight suicide- from drinking and fighting and takin risks and more. You can die for a cause or risk your life to try for more.
Death is always a possibility every moment of life, but you only get one shot at being born. If you don’t like being born that’s much easier to fix than someone who doesn’t exist deciding they want to be born no? There can be beauty or purpose in any life, and the joy we take from life may be much easier to have if we are born rich and or powerful than if we are born with nothing- but ultimately our ability to find purpose or beauty or happiness is more on us than on our circumstances. We only know the lives we have lived of course- so it’s all relative.
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· 5 years ago
Yeah, I mean that can be also said about it. If you look at it that way, everyone is hustling in their own way, to reach their own spot. And parents do try their best to give everything to their children, but sometimes that stress and not being able to do that takes a toll on them too. Lot of poor families often result in dysfunctional families. I am not saying that other classes don't have dysfunctional families or that poor people aren't happy. It's just the thing that it stresses everyone out and if something happens to the kid, you won't be able to forgive yourself. Or maybe I am just letting my emotions get the better hold of me, cause I am really touchy about this issue.
Also, damn guest. Apart from being educated in general, you also have a degree from the university of hard knox. (I am using humour to alleviate the dreadness of the subject. Do not be offended)
@spookykink57- lol. No offense taken. f I told half the stuff that’s happened in my life people would probably think I was just making stuff up. But yes. I’ve been around the block a few times. I think that having kids is hard, lots to worry about. Caring about people in general can be hard emotionally. Not having much in life makes everything harder as well. So I think it’s good for people to really think and soul search about having kids- I don’t think people should have kids so they can “take care of you...” or for ego or impulse or because they’re cute or because of a legacy or a biological drive or because you’re “supposed to.” I think people should be more careful and really take the responsibilities of parenthood to heart. But I think it ultimately has to be a decision made for other reasons than our economic situation.
Howard Schultz founded Starbucks. John Paul DeJoria- hair care empire leader and alcohol magnate. Roman Abramovich- sports team owner and Russian tycoon. Lakshmi Mittala- owner of the worlds largest steel empire. Leonardo Del Vecchio- head of an empire that owns brands like Oakley and Ray-Ban. Francois Pinault- owns conglomerate which holds Yves st Lauren, Gucci and other luxury brands. Sheldon Adelson- runs the largest casino hotel chain in the world. Shania Twain, Celine Deon, Oprah....
Anyway, that's what I believe. At least have the basic necessities before bringing a life into the world, it's a big responsibility and you never know how it is going to affect you or the world. Use contraceptives.
Also, damn guest. Apart from being educated in general, you also have a degree from the university of hard knox. (I am using humour to alleviate the dreadness of the subject. Do not be offended)